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Hoyt

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35. Kaiser is the model we are heading toward. I've only been insured by them 7 months, but like it.

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:33 AM

Jul 2012

It's much more coordinated than the insurance I had before, where I could choose docs (who usually didn't communicate with each other) anywhere. That "choose anyone" insurance costs a lot more, but is what way too many folks want.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to think they are getting cheated by low quality care if they can't see any doc they want; can't get the exact care they want (even if something else is cheaper and better for them and the "system&quot ; don't get to sit in a nice waiting room with fancy paintings and big aquariums; have to sit next to what they think are the poor (I really get ticked at folks who think like that); etc.

Truth is, a lot of folks are going to have to make some acceptable sacrifices to make health care for all work -- providers, suppliers, insurers as long as they are in the game, and even us as patients.

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Now that 40 million uninsured people will now have access to healthcare, where will they go to get [View all] Egalitariat Jul 2012 OP

That's the arguement the right wingers here in Texas are making.. snooper2 Jul 2012 #1

That's where I've heard it as well. But it does seem like a reasonable question. Egalitariat Jul 2012 #3

I schedule appointments for the morning. The office is never full then. Afternoon - screw it. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #8

that's the best time to go shanti Jul 2012 #23

You must know some lazy Doctors joeglow3 Jul 2012 #13

Did you see Fareed Zakaria's health care reform special last night on CNN? CrispyQ Jul 2012 #18

yeah but don't they have to limit their time with each patient TBMASE Jul 2012 #29

You do understand that there is more work to do after your visit, right? taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #30

K&R your response ChazII Jul 2012 #59

One of the things I'd like to see happen for our nation is LiberalLoner Jul 2012 #2

I was in East Africa goclark Jul 2012 #17

Here in rural areas, physician's assistants, liberalhistorian Jul 2012 #38

We have them in our ER for the acute care cases xmas74 Jul 2012 #95

It depends where you are, I think. MineralMan Jul 2012 #4

I wouldn't worry too much about that.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #5

Fortunately, many who can't afford copays, etc., will likely have Medicaid where there are no, or Hoyt Jul 2012 #28

And many won't.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #34

No doubt in my mind that there will be at least a short term shortage of providers SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #6

I tend to agree, especially in regards to primary care. surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #44

A lot of the simpler work will be done by nurse practitioners. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #7

The ACA will also expedite putting our health records Fawke Em Jul 2012 #10

Yes, I was hoping that would be the next step. And infrastructure, of course. freshwest Jul 2012 #61

Simple visits will be covered by a Physician's Assistant taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #25

CNP is very common in my area. xmas74 Jul 2012 #96

Kaiser is the model we are heading toward. I've only been insured by them 7 months, but like it. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35

I saw a Kaiser specialist just this afternoon. He was wonderful. Really JDPriestly Jul 2012 #85

Everybody should read the law. Here it is and Title V is about sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #9

Thanks... Fawke Em Jul 2012 #11

Good point. There is a lot of good stuff that seldom gets mentioned including incentives for better Hoyt Jul 2012 #37

+1 pinto Jul 2012 #51

yes but still there will be THOSE PEOPLE at the doctor's office now. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #67

The AMA deliberately keeps the cost of being a doctor high, djean111 Jul 2012 #12

I'm sure they would love it Sgent Jul 2012 #19

Sorry, but please explain why it's a bad thing liberalhistorian Jul 2012 #40

Some 3 year med programs...... soccer1 Jul 2012 #69

I think we might see PatSeg Jul 2012 #14

I personally think that would be so terrific. closeupready Jul 2012 #15

I had some lengthy PatSeg Jul 2012 #21

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #16

True PatSeg Jul 2012 #22

at kaiser shanti Jul 2012 #26

Not my experience, but as long as they are good and give a dang -- who cares. Hoyt Jul 2012 #39

Kaiser PatSeg Jul 2012 #42

It's why we can't sit back. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #20

This concern is frequently used as a dogwhistle argument by the right. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #24

There are people out there that don't want other people to have health coverage because it will Renew Deal Jul 2012 #27

It's called supply and demand. Go ask a capitalist about it. cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #31

Not really. Med school has limited slots. But we can encourage the right balance pnwmom Jul 2012 #57

Med school has supply and demand as well. cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #62

Maybe no more Friday golfing for the doctors ... nt TBF Jul 2012 #32

You can't just dump Meiko Jul 2012 #33

Insurance paperwork is 40% of a doctor's time today. closeupready Jul 2012 #47

Even if some of that happens, it's better than people not having access to care. Hoyt Jul 2012 #86

I think that is a false argument hollysmom Jul 2012 #36

I agree. I darn sure haven't run out and gotten a colonoscopy because they are covered 100%. Hoyt Jul 2012 #87

Assuming that is true... Won't that just create jobs? Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #41

exactly--many new jobs for construction of clinics (in ACA) and healthcare workers to staff them librechik Jul 2012 #45

Creating jobs is great, hughee99 Jul 2012 #49

So we should not get health care because some people perceive there are not enough doctors? Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #52

I don't know where I said that, but I think telling people hughee99 Jul 2012 #53

Already done by ACA Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #55

The ACA (which most people haven't read) has a plan, hughee99 Jul 2012 #58

And... Who said that? Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #60

Who said that? I did, for one. So will many other people. hughee99 Jul 2012 #63

Well... You should stop telling people that if it is not true Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #64

I'm not "creating reasons" for people to not have health care. hughee99 Jul 2012 #68

"Is it worth it in the long run? Absolutely." Then... What is your problem? Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #71

You're not really reading what I'm writing at all, are you. hughee99 Jul 2012 #72

Non-sense, I've read every word... repeatedly. You are just not making sense. Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #74

I don't predict doom, hughee99 Jul 2012 #75

Yes, no doom Ohio Joe Jul 2012 #78

Fair enough, let me rephrase that. hughee99 Jul 2012 #80

More educational grants for those entering the medical field and 0% interest loans Incitatus Jul 2012 #90

The ACA contains provisions for training more primary care physicians frazzled Jul 2012 #43

Most the stuff I've seen a doctor for over the years could have been handled quite capably by a kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #46

You gotta have those too. Quicker to ramp up than MD's but far from trivial TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #73

ACA includes substantial funds for increasing the pool of general practitioner physicians, kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #82

I didn't indicate the issue was not addressed by the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #91

Patients will go to the doctor with problems that can be dealt with in ten minutes... hunter Jul 2012 #48

capitalism hates a void spanone Jul 2012 #50

My personal physicians office used to be standing room only and he was working 6 days a week NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #54

no more golf on Wednesdays?..... madmom Jul 2012 #56

40? ...oh sure ...out of 330 million people ...sorry I don't believe that stat. L0oniX Jul 2012 #65

It is around 50M. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #66

A good start would be to declare the AMA a union and regulate it. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #70

The ACA also provides money for more clinics and for Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #76

that kind of argument seems to me to say d_r Jul 2012 #77

CHCs. Bernie got 10 billion for them. cali Jul 2012 #79

So our health system is good quaker bill Jul 2012 #81

The 40 million have always had 'access' to healthcare. former9thward Jul 2012 #83

+infinity. KG Jul 2012 #84

Many will be eligible for Medicaid -- no, or very low (like $2), copays. Hoyt Jul 2012 #88

But the SC gave states the right to opt out of expanded Medicaid. former9thward Jul 2012 #92

Most of them will take it. Why not, states are paying for it now and it's almost all federal money. Hoyt Jul 2012 #93

access to health insurance does not equal access to healthcare CleanLucre Jul 2012 #89

I would think that, in the short term, it could be a bit tougher to get into a doctor. xmas74 Jul 2012 #94