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pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 04:42 PM Apr 2017

Law professor explains how United blew it. [View all]

Neither of the two rules cited by United, Rule 21 and Rule 25, apply to the doctor's removal.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger/

United’s Rule 25, as its title clearly implies, applies only to denied boarding. Thus, it uses the word “denied boarding,” and variants such as “deny boarding,” but says nothing about requiring passengers who have already boarded to give up their seats.

Indeed, it states in part, using the word “boarding” twice, that: “other passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA’s boarding priority.

Clearly, a “boarding priority” does not include or imply an involuntary removal or refusal of transport. Moreover, under well accepted contract law, any ambiguous term in a contract must be construed against – and in the way least favorable to – the party which drafted it.

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Rule 21 . . . which unlike the denied boarding rule does provide for removal “from the aircraft at any point,” lists some two dozen justifications including: unruly behavior, intoxication, inability to fit into one seat, medical problems or concerns, etc. But nowhere in the list of some two dozen reasons is there anything about over booking, the need to free up seats, the need for seats to accommodate crew members to be used on a different flight etc.

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Finally, it appears that United is seeking to blame the passenger, claiming that when asked to give up his seat, he acted belligerently – and citing a rule which requires that passengers obey the orders of the flight crew. But, such a requirement applies only to orders which are lawful.

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We've all been lectured for two days now athena Apr 2017 #1
I could not agree more... hlthe2b Apr 2017 #2
Exactly! We've seen the good German dynamic in action, in real time. yardwork Apr 2017 #9
We've also heard endlessly the lie that the airlines can only compensate bumped passengers pnwmom Apr 2017 #5
That is also interesting as is heard the same thing... WoonTars Apr 2017 #7
the manner in which they kept upping the price was tacky Swagman Apr 2017 #15
Another lie we were told athena Apr 2017 #30
Interesting... If I ever start up a pay-day loan swamp, I'm going to use that same math to claim... Hugin Apr 2017 #32
"turning over the Air Traffic Control responsibilities to the airlines." dixiegrrrrl Apr 2017 #37
I think it's safe to say that whatever rights or liability the company has... Major Nikon Apr 2017 #28
I hope the doc is talking to attorneys. dalton99a Apr 2017 #3
I bet hungry lawyers are filling his voicemail. Ilsa Apr 2017 #6
He has a lawyer--and he is still in the hospital, though I wonder whether still being in the tblue37 Apr 2017 #22
That's really interesting... WoonTars Apr 2017 #4
Any Republicans calling him 'self-deboarded' yet? bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #8
An unseemly amount of victim blaming has occurred here on DU, too. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #23
Even if United had the right to take him off the plane, their use of force here was unjustified. yardwork Apr 2017 #10
Great minds think alike! Thanks. spooky3 Apr 2017 #12
And, completely apart from the law, spooky3 Apr 2017 #11
Now, the question is can he sue or will it go to arbitration? Stonepounder Apr 2017 #13
His lawyers may implead governmental agencies geek tragedy Apr 2017 #24
Right, but only the $ loss: he can still sue for the assault. lindysalsagal Apr 2017 #36
The term "boarding" does not mean what this law professor thinks it means. mn9driver Apr 2017 #14
Then all he has to say is the command wasn't perceived by him to be lawful ... these things go uponit7771 Apr 2017 #17
Because ignorance of the law means it's fine to ignore it? mythology Apr 2017 #27
With all due respect, the author provides evidence spooky3 Apr 2017 #26
Baloney Goodheart Apr 2017 #34
I have 30 years experience with this. mn9driver Apr 2017 #35
Find a lawyer Dr. DK504 Apr 2017 #16
What did the professor say was the measure of damages on a contract claim? jberryhill Apr 2017 #18
That would depend on the state. pnwmom Apr 2017 #19
Who employed the people who beat him up? jberryhill Apr 2017 #20
Reports differ. pnwmom Apr 2017 #21
The more parties involved, the less likely this goes to an arbitrator. geek tragedy Apr 2017 #25
Mahalo for this important news, pnwmom Cha Apr 2017 #29
To the United defenders... sorry, but you're wrong Goodheart Apr 2017 #31
A single lawyer's opinion may or may not be accurate mythology Apr 2017 #33
I haven't seen a single lawyer's opinion saying the opposite, and I've seen multiple lawyers pnwmom Apr 2017 #39
Not to beat a dead horse but I used to work in reservations for American. clarkrd Apr 2017 #38
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