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47. The OP gave a good lead in for you to read the article. Quote from OP

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:21 PM

Jul 2012

This is a Job Loss enterprise like NAFTA on Bigger Scale...there have been articles on other sites about it and that's why many of us are alarmed.

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A recent leak of one of TPP’s most controversial chapters reveals that the pact would elevate individual corporations and investors to equal status with sovereign nations to privately enforce this treaty. U.S. negotiators are among the greatest champions of this “investor state” enforcement system. It would give any foreign firm incorporated in any TPP country new rights to skirt U.S. courts and laws, directly sue the U.S. government before foreign tribunals and demand compensation for financial, health, environmental, land use and other laws they claim undermine their TPP privileges.

After Obama’s election, U.S. trade officials were instructed to withdraw from the TPP negotiations Bush had launched – supposedly to sort out a new approach that implemented candidate Obama’s campaign commitments to fix the damaging old NAFTA model. But after a kabuki dance of ears-closed check-the-box “consultations” with a minimal number of congressional representatives and civil society groups, Obama’s trade officials picked up where Bush left off. Actually, they doubled down -- pushing even more extreme positions than the Bush administration on issues like Internet freedom and access to medicines.

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No traction on DU for TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership)? This is a FIVE ALARM EMERGENCY, people... [View all] HomerRamone Jul 2012 OP

Every time TPP is mentioned....the posts drop like stones off to archives. KoKo Jul 2012 #1

And, yet, chervilant Jul 2012 #15

Any ideas as to why whathehell Jul 2012 #108

Yes, He is a third way Democrat and uses third way policy as his starting point in negotiations Dragonfli Jul 2012 #123

Thanks, Dragonfli whathehell Jul 2012 #125

Quite a bit of the language is OUT OF NAFTA nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #139

I'm not surprised...Disappointed, but not surprised. whathehell Jul 2012 #167

It's right up their alley, they are a corporate driven think tank after all. Dragonfli Jul 2012 #156

Obama's position on this chervilant Jul 2012 #164

I know.. whathehell Jul 2012 #166

Well, chervilant Jul 2012 #180

Thanks. I'll watch the film again, and see what I can glean from it. n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #189

If the poster cannot, at least once, type out completely what TPP means I'll not waste my time xtraxritical Jul 2012 #24

That'll show him! HomerRamone Jul 2012 #27

The TPP "Trans-Pacific Partnership" is Gonna Further FUCK U.S. Workers. STEP UP!!! NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #36

wow stockholmer Jul 2012 #144

I get annoyed with acronyms also, but can usually figure out WTF by reading the thread, so what's lonestarnot Jul 2012 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #31

especially when folks like yourself throw in the towel from the get-go. and other folks are more HiPointDem Jul 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #72

I don't have a towel on my own, you're right. Organized i have a towel. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #75

regardless, organized people have a towel. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #82

I can't resist HomerRamone Jul 2012 #101

I take this back earlier. Nixon era. freshwest Jul 2012 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #74

Here's a sad corollary: chervilant Jul 2012 #168

INFO- Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #68

OMG...sounds like the final step in a plan for corporate world domination. whathehell Jul 2012 #107

MORE- Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #112

OMG...This is scary.. whathehell Jul 2012 #117

I didn't realize he'd come out for the GMO's... KoKo Jul 2012 #127

You mean you fell for that cheap PR nonsense? Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #132

yep...The BIG SHOW... KoKo Jul 2012 #204

thank you so much for keeping the spotlight on the oligarchs and their puppets in power stockholmer Jul 2012 #145

I think you may have actually been directing this to another poster. whathehell Jul 2012 #169

ah, you are correct, but hello anyway!!! stockholmer Jul 2012 #185

Yes, indeed...Back at ya! whathehell Jul 2012 #188

The Trans Pacific Partnership – A Corporate Fascist Coup Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #205

You people are most welcome, but the task is to get the idiot followers to wake up. Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #182

THank you EverHopeful Jul 2012 #114

I forgot to say: "Thanks" for all this good info, Huey. whathehell Jul 2012 #124

Thanks, Huey...hope concerned folks here will read your info. KoKo Jul 2012 #126

big ups for the links Huey stockholmer Jul 2012 #146

thank you so much for keeping the spotlight on the oligarchs and their puppets in power stockholmer Jul 2012 #186

I think it is because a lot of people don't understand it Taverner Jul 2012 #110

You're right. You really do have to read the whole thing pscot Jul 2012 #2

"launched ... by the George W. Bush administration". That's a red flag right there. eppur_se_muova Jul 2012 #18

All for Naught ... dtom67 Jul 2012 #52

+1. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #60

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #147

Thank you, agreed, K&R'd! E.g., snot Jul 2012 #3

I'll reply to give this a kick... ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #4

More light, more light. Scuba Jul 2012 #5

K&R Brickbat Jul 2012 #6

All part of the planned transition to Corporate State Rule. bluedigger Jul 2012 #7

Scary. ananda Jul 2012 #9

You are right about that.. whathehell Jul 2012 #118

And with Corporate State Rule, we get Corporate State War. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #11

Many cities are closing the libraries BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #16

hmm... chervilant Jul 2012 #17

Control of information and its dissemination? Never! siligut Jul 2012 #23

Just repeating history (dial-up warning, large pic): freshwest Jul 2012 #109

JD, have you noticed that certain frequent posters are totally absent from this thread? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #115

hmm... chervilant Jul 2012 #172

Probably they have to be debugged before rebooting kenny blankenship Jul 2012 #179

Onward to a regine of binding global governance... sad sally Jul 2012 #105

K&R, n/t. appal_jack Jul 2012 #8

I need to study this more. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #10

It's very alarming...but, there's no way of stopping it. KoKo Jul 2012 #20

We HAVE to! nt HomerRamone Jul 2012 #22

Both parties are for it and the President is pushing it. Where would push back come from? KoKo Jul 2012 #40

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2012 #58

So you ADMIT it's bipartisan MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #111

You drive me nuts. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #116

I drive myself nuts MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #120

Hey on the bright side nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #140

That's different MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #141

You want my notes? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #136

Thanks. I will take a rain check. I am not sure my psyche can handle it. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #142

From the interview... livvy Jul 2012 #12

kick for the evening shift GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #13

I guess the bolder moves are harder to grok caraher Jul 2012 #14

This T-Peepee will put an end to farmer's markets. fasttense Jul 2012 #19

China could bring a lawsuit to a group of unelected corporate lawyers called the Tribunal Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #174

Nations are now required to obey the mandates of global corporations. TahitiNut Jul 2012 #21

How many centuries has it been this way, really? They just didn't call them corporations, is all. freshwest Jul 2012 #69

And according to the leak on this, they write the laws and merely distribute them sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #71

This is scary stuff. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #25

More evidence Obama is not a liberal lark Jul 2012 #26

Heartbreaking. tblue Jul 2012 #29

You got that Right! Plucketeer Jul 2012 #30

We are screwed Remember Jul 2012 #34

It was obvious to me, the first time I ever heard Obama speak in the Presidential primaries, that... Larry Ogg Jul 2012 #56

It's all scientifically managed Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #175

You are absolutely right it's managed. Larry Ogg Jul 2012 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #79

We have to make Obama stop it!!! tblue Jul 2012 #28

This is why we progressives just can't seem to make any progress. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #32

I don't have time to make every subject line perfect HomerRamone Jul 2012 #35

you've had time to defend the title...twice magical thyme Jul 2012 #41

all right I'm out of here too HomerRamone Jul 2012 #45

Awww come on...you didn't have time to read the article so it's the poster's fault? KoKo Jul 2012 #48

As many post as there being made on DU... Speck Tater Jul 2012 #63

I never said I had no time to read the article magical thyme Jul 2012 #64

The OP gave a good lead in for you to read the article. Quote from OP KoKo Jul 2012 #47

Is there ANY congressional pushback? k and r bbgrunt Jul 2012 #33

Wrote to my Senator, Bill Nelson-D, FL and this is what I got back. hay rick Jul 2012 #46

Thats more than I got from Ben Nelson (D) Nebraska newfie11 Jul 2012 #158

Facebooked, tweeted, shared, bookmarked ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 #37

Traction is acquired by attracting DU-ers to the Subject. You need to help. TPP is what? patrice Jul 2012 #38

I did not post about this before--it's not my posts that didn't get traction HomerRamone Jul 2012 #43

Excellent video here: hay rick Jul 2012 #39

Thanks....hopefully some here who wondered about TPP will watch it. KoKo Jul 2012 #42

Seder did a great job with this interview. nashville_brook Jul 2012 #128

kick for later n/t hootinholler Jul 2012 #44

You are correct. I suspect if a Republican was president this board would be on fire sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #49

This is primarily a "centrist" board; people here, by and large, SUPPORT unlimited free-trade. Romulox Jul 2012 #50

Obama Administration Expands Controversial Trade Deal (TPP) after Damaging Revelations KoKo Jul 2012 #53

This is nothing short of the controlled demolition of the American nation. Kaleko Jul 2012 #153

the pro-teacher anti-uaw brigade? could you point out an example? cause i think you made it up. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #66

I wish that I was making it up. No idea why you're leveling an angry accusation, however. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #76

i'm not angry. i just don't believe there's a 'brigade' of teachers who supports their own union HiPointDem Jul 2012 #81

There's several. Quit badgering me into a call-out and search the board yourself. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #85

i am a strong participant in pro-teacher threads & have never seen anything like that. thus i ask HiPointDem Jul 2012 #86

By the same token, I've never seen you speak up in favor of unionized autoworkers. Romulox Jul 2012 #87

you've missed my posts, then. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #89

I don't read even a fraction of the posts here, so I wouldn't presume to suggest someone is lying Romulox Jul 2012 #90

i didn't. i said you missed my posts, and linked some of them. please stop accusing me of things HiPointDem Jul 2012 #91

You said "i think you made it up" (post #66.) I'm done with this song and dance routine. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #92

perhaps you could have linked evidence for your claim, as i did when you said you'd never HiPointDem Jul 2012 #94

There's been no "lie", just sloppy accusations from you. Your hostility is mindless. Romulox Jul 2012 #98

i asked you to link a thread, not name names. you can't. because threads where teachers HiPointDem Jul 2012 #100

I have one thread that sticks in my craw open right now (DU2). To link to it would be a call out in Romulox Jul 2012 #102

Anyhow, I'm done with you. You call me a liar in #66, and forget about it by #91. Romulox Jul 2012 #103

no, i said i thought you made it up. i still do, as you offer no evidence. your display of injured HiPointDem Jul 2012 #149

That is a PATHETIC walk-back. You are floundering. Romulox Jul 2012 #161

lol. sure rommy. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #191

Indeed. In your month and a half here you have become an absolute moral authority on this site Romulox Jul 2012 #193

PS: "i must PERFORCE believe it doesn't exist"??? Romulox Jul 2012 #93

not sure what your problem is with the word. "Adverb used to express necessity/inevitability" HiPointDem Jul 2012 #97

You're hiding behind bluster and pretense to try to cover up your basic mistake of forgetting your Romulox Jul 2012 #99

i still think you made it up. you're hiding behind bluster to avoid posting evidence supporting HiPointDem Jul 2012 #150

You've descended into self-parody. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #160

Wow... chervilant Jul 2012 #173

Check out the SUV post kicking around the front page. The love for non-union labor flows there. Romulox Jul 2012 #192

Yeah, sure... chervilant Jul 2012 #194

not true. not at all true. nashville_brook Jul 2012 #129

Check out the SUV post on the front page for all the Honda, Subaru, Hyundai (all NON UNION!) Romulox Jul 2012 #162

Thank you. K&R and Shared. patrice Jul 2012 #51

K R rosesaylavee Jul 2012 #54

K&R (nm) Elwood P Dowd Jul 2012 #55

We had this fight here in 1999, in every country. More globalization crap. freshwest Jul 2012 #57

+1 KoKo Jul 2012 #67

K&R! nt whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #61

Why do you want Mitt Romney to be president? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #62

Shoot, this will likely have "minimal" impact on workers--just like NAFTA! Er, right, Manny??? Romulox Jul 2012 #78

Are you attempting to quote something that I wrote? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #121

(Third Way?) Manny: "NAFTA caused a modest drop in the incomes low-skilled-workers". nt Romulox Jul 2012 #133

Do you disagree with that? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #134

Manny, it was a MASSIVE gaffe by you. Your refusal to move on shows you are COMMITTED to it. Romulox Jul 2012 #163

I never, never, ever, defended NAFTA. Not ever. Never. MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #197

+1 Nice nauseating recap nt whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #80

Well you're third-way Manny, so of course you want to keep all of this secret. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #152

I don't get how a small agency can do this magical thyme Jul 2012 #65

kick AzDar Jul 2012 #77

Time to put this in the spotlight... TeamPooka Jul 2012 #83

The posts sink because we have tons of "free traders" and more that will support TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #84

Actually there is starting to be a small time revolt within the D's nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #137

thank you very much Enrique Jul 2012 #88

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2012 #95

Seems TPP is an embarrassment during "campaign season." hay rick Jul 2012 #96

K&R and bkmrkd. thanks for the link. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #104

I think the administration should at least be able to speak its piece. Blanks Jul 2012 #106

k&r nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #113

Sounds like a Libertarian wet dream. joshcryer Jul 2012 #119

Thank you for posting this. EverHopeful Jul 2012 #122

+1...for your links for efforts to stop it.. KoKo Jul 2012 #130

Some previous threads on TPP. proverbialwisdom Jul 2012 #131

Hey just sent the article to editor nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #135

Nadin..Check out new Nation Article: "Nafta on Steroids" (Why don't we know about it) KoKo Jul 2012 #165

I'll answer this, promise nott to be too shocked nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #183

Kick/rec bonzotex Jul 2012 #138

Here's the job-transferring free-trade agreements that have been signed so far: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #178

Here's a petition to sign "to make trade policies work for working families"... pacalo Jul 2012 #143

Signed..Thanks. n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #154

K&R AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #148

Sons of bitches! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #155

Was not aware of this. Found more info on Democracy Now suffragette Jul 2012 #157

Thanks for link...worth the watch.. n/t KoKo Jul 2012 #159

You know this one stinks to high heaven and back TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #170

This is interesting, sulphurdunn Jul 2012 #171

That's a good question. And it seems few are interested in answering. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #181

To the extent government sulphurdunn Jul 2012 #198

+1 KoKo Jul 2012 #201

Oh he's just rope-a-doping them, dude kenny blankenship Jul 2012 #176

You may be right about the general absence of "traction on DU for TPP." It may be due, in part, to AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #177

Well...you can't get much more "Bi-Partisan" than this...can you? KoKo Jul 2012 #187

It's much more than another jobs-killing "free-trade" agreement. hay rick Jul 2012 #190

Thanks for posting. Wind Dancer Jul 2012 #184

Hugely important info here. Kaleko Jul 2012 #195

. Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #196

Here local nooz story nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #199

Bernie Sanders is against it. That's good enough for me! n/t krispos42 Jul 2012 #202

k&r nt rbnyc Jul 2012 #203

kicking BrendaBrick Aug 2012 #206