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PJMcK

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38. Your response is not legally supportable

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:00 AM

Apr 2017

I understand and appreciate the visceral and emotional responses that we all have when following this terrible story.

While your opinion of who bears responsibility represents your personal morality, legally there are several parties who will be targeted by the doctor's lawyers. After all, the Chicago Department of Aviation has put the officer on leave pending an investigation. Would they take such a step if there weren't the possibility of them facing legal action?

“The incident on United flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned,” Aviation Department spokeswoman Karen Pride said. “That officer has been placed on leave effective today pending a thorough review of the situation.”

There's more here: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/video-appears-to-show-passenger-being-removed-from-united-flight/

Look, I think what happened is reprehensible. I want everyone who bears responsibility to be brought to task. Don't let the cops off if they acted inappropriately or illegally. And I definitely hope that United gets creamed with the legal settlement that'll be negotiated.

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United Airlines had nothing to do with beating the poor doctor [View all] AngryAmish Apr 2017 OP

Then why is the CEO of United speaking to the problem Laurian Apr 2017 #1

He is the CEO of United Express as well. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #2

I guess I don't understand why you think this distinction has a bearing Laurian Apr 2017 #3

It's a FUD attempt SecularMotion Apr 2017 #7

Ты сдул мое укрытие. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #55

Undercover? SecularMotion Apr 2017 #56

They aren't the ones who did it. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #78

Do you have to attack the OP in this way? Completely uncalled for. Doodley Apr 2017 #84

Yes. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #8

Looks like the CEO at UNITED doesn't care what you think. MADem Apr 2017 #12

What about the Chicago Aviation Department? PJMcK Apr 2017 #11

Someone made the decision to call the police and brief them as to the problem. MADem Apr 2017 #13

I don't agree, MADem PJMcK Apr 2017 #20

They are responsibile for the entire thing start to finish. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #30

Your response is not legally supportable PJMcK Apr 2017 #38

According to a lawyer quoted on here United Swagman Apr 2017 #57

Why are you blaming the flight attendants? MADem Apr 2017 #60

I think it is more likely than not that if an officer is involved in an altercation MADem Apr 2017 #59

More developments PJMcK Apr 2017 #86

I have no doubt attempts will be made via the legal system to gain justice MADem Apr 2017 #88

Your essay is remarkable! PJMcK Apr 2017 #97

There will be no day in court. MADem Apr 2017 #96

Does the Chicago Department of Aviation have an agreement to provide security? csziggy Apr 2017 #72

It might be more complicated than that--not a "contract" type arrangement. MADem Apr 2017 #73

Good question PJMcK Apr 2017 #83

You don't send three cops onto a plane to drag a passenger off MADem Apr 2017 #37

The Aviation officers don't report to United PJMcK Apr 2017 #43

They were called to remove a stubborn passenger. They did that. MADem Apr 2017 #49

I had a flight cancelled because they couldn't get the crew to D.C. on time, so they CAN do that. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #92

They absolutely can do it, but they HATE to do it. MADem Apr 2017 #95

No, the officer was NOT from Chicago police department. LisaL Apr 2017 #14

Thanks for the correction PJMcK Apr 2017 #17

Another thought PJMcK Apr 2017 #23

Someone from CPD stuck their beak in, which created the confusion MADem Apr 2017 #32

Not only that, he adressed United employees in a letter that same day. eShirl Apr 2017 #5

Pretty sure the gate employees bmbmd Apr 2017 #54

Bingo--if they wear the UNITED logo (and they did), they take the UNITED hit. MADem Apr 2017 #10

If my well pump breaks I'll call you. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #4

Did they beat him? janterry Apr 2017 #6

This is relevant to what? OldHippieChick Apr 2017 #19

I thought I read that people were calling it a beating janterry Apr 2017 #31

He was bleeding from his mouth. That qualifies as a "beating." Full stop. anneboleyn Apr 2017 #68

Well janterry Apr 2017 #80

He lost a couple of teeth and had some surgery--jaw, maybe? nt MADem Apr 2017 #89

Yes, I had seen what's been written janterry Apr 2017 #94

These pro-United posts are making me VERY depressed about the state of DU. I don't believe for anneboleyn Apr 2017 #70

Same thing happened a couple years back when those accelerators were sticking. Iggo Apr 2017 #91

Consider the source. This is very typical behavior. Coventina Apr 2017 #93

Yes they beat him clearly. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #35

It was on purpose and janterry Apr 2017 #39

That's cops. That's who they are. That's what they do. Iggo Apr 2017 #58

I thought they weren't police? janterry Apr 2017 #75

A cop's a cop. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2017 #85

Look on YouTube. There are a thousand different posts of it on YouTube. anneboleyn Apr 2017 #71

They probably had tickets purchased from PRICELINE/ORBITZ/CHEAPTIX, etc. MADem Apr 2017 #40

I read that, too janterry Apr 2017 #44

Also, if you're travelling alone, you're ripe for the plucking. MADem Apr 2017 #50

He is in the hospital with a broken jaw according to CNN. That beaten enough for you? JTFrog Apr 2017 #36

They smashed his head into the metal arm rest. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #77

Except LP2K12 Apr 2017 #9

Several points, here. MADem Apr 2017 #16

Ah Assault and a civil rights violation are not protected... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #24

+1 dalton99a Apr 2017 #33

Though it seems counterintuitive, that is correct. MADem Apr 2017 #53

The OP information is useful for what entities to treestar Apr 2017 #65

United Express is a branch of United Airlines. eShirl Apr 2017 #15

No, it isn't "just a brand name"--they have a formal business relationship. MADem Apr 2017 #18

It's the brand name for the regional branch of United Airlines. eShirl Apr 2017 #21

I think we're on the same page, here. They're a branch of UNITED. nt MADem Apr 2017 #42

Are you kidding? It carries United's trademark ...thus they are liable for anything done Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #22

Distinction without a difference hatrack Apr 2017 #25

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #27

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #52

What's your point? Who summoned the cops? - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #26

1. Shirley Sherrod. 2. Flight was NOT overbooked. Airline made last-minute bullwinkle428 Apr 2017 #28

I guess someone had to post the stupidest thing on the internet today. JTFrog Apr 2017 #29

yep - hard to beat this one DrDan Apr 2017 #47

Well, with the sale of a trademark comes responsibilities. Hugin Apr 2017 #34

"Republic Air"? Are you sure it's not "Republican Air"? athena Apr 2017 #41

But United Airlines royally screwed up the aftermath mainer Apr 2017 #45

ridiculous - The CEO has apologized and promised to do better DrDan Apr 2017 #46

Yeah, nice try. tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #48

Right? WoonTars Apr 2017 #61

Completely irrelevant to the discussion, really. MineralMan Apr 2017 #51

Pssst.... your Freudian slip is showing. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #62

They were flying under their label treestar Apr 2017 #63

This is like Lowes telling me that the contractor they hired to Mad-in-Mo Apr 2017 #64

HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH UNITED IS HOLY AND INNOCENT POSTS. I thought this shit ended yesterday anneboleyn Apr 2017 #66

You should let the United CEO know what you found out Renew Deal Apr 2017 #67

Haven't seen this much fail since Will Pitt's attack on the ACA. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #69

Ha. You must have United stock. United had everything to do with this insanity. sarcasmo Apr 2017 #74

If they license their name to another company LisaM Apr 2017 #76

They weren't "Chicago Police" i.e. members of the CPD. They were aviation police, pnwmom Apr 2017 #79

This is funny. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #81

Flights on United Express are listed as United flights. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #82

Those weren't cops, they were airport security whose salaries are paid by big airlines in Chicago geek tragedy Apr 2017 #87

Tell that to United CEO Munoz. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #90