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OrwellwasRight

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7. It's not possible.

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 10:27 AM

Apr 2017

It's cognitive dissonance. I've worked in DC a long time and seen it happen to MOCs who get elected thinking one way and then "smarten up" as they get on the fundraising tread mill and are told over and over and over by DCCC "experts" that it isn't smart to take X or Y progressive position because then industry Z won't give them money any more. First caution and trepidation set in, then you start to hear the pro-corporate TPs coming out of their mouths.

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Democrat's Core Choice: MONEY OR MESSAGE? [View all] eniwetok Apr 2017 OP

Good points. OrwellwasRight Apr 2017 #1

I suspect it's the corporate Dems who think they can make a deal with the Devil... eniwetok Apr 2017 #2

It's not possible. OrwellwasRight Apr 2017 #7

One thing to think about titaniumsalute Apr 2017 #3

"won" in an antidemocratic system... isn't a true win eniwetok Apr 2017 #4

I get it...but he's still sitting in the White House titaniumsalute Apr 2017 #8

sure... it's because Dems NEVER tried to reform our system eniwetok Apr 2017 #12

then we are foolish... eniwetok Apr 2017 #18

If you were to put a dollar value on the hours upon hours of free publicity FiveGoodMen Apr 2017 #26

It was a mistake to court the same corporate entities as Repubs w 3rd Way librechik Apr 2017 #5

There is another thread castigating Perez for not sending money to Kansas...some Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #6

sure money may help but it's no substitiute for messaging. eniwetok Apr 2017 #9

"May help"? Come ON now. It measurably helps. And it's never been messaging or money. bettyellen Apr 2017 #11

what makes YOU immune from right wing messages? eniwetok Apr 2017 #14

That I wasn't blinded by hatred of any Dem in the primaries helped a lot. bettyellen Apr 2017 #16

did you even read my OP... it was QUITE CLEAR eniwetok Apr 2017 #19

We can have both in my opinion...messaging and the money needed for a win Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #15

red herring alert... no one said the Dems should broke... eniwetok Apr 2017 #17

This was the title of your OP...'Democrat's Core Choice: MONEY OR MESSAGE?' Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #20

So you didn't bother to read the post... you reacted to the title. eniwetok Apr 2017 #23

First of all I resent your personal insulting attacks. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #25

I know your game... and I consider your false accusations to be insulting eniwetok Apr 2017 #27

Oh it is a game is it? I have provided information that show your defamatory Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #41

I would just like to point out in case you miss it ...that Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #43

All you have are personal attacks and insults Cha Apr 2017 #32

PKB ALERT... and here you are insulting me and not dealing with the topic.... eniwetok Apr 2017 #36

Stop with your personal attacks and insults. Cha Apr 2017 #45

Yep...you can't win an argument...you resort to such tactics. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #42

Nope- you presented it as an either or choice twice- once in the OP and again in your bettyellen Apr 2017 #21

what's dishonest is to pretend my entire post was the title not the content. eniwetok Apr 2017 #28

It's not dishonest to say your frame was message OR money and you said it TWICE.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #30

They are happy. Some folks only derive pleasure in saying "I told you so". SaschaHM Apr 2017 #10

Hard for them with rules on this site...have to tip toe around it. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #13

Clinton had the money and the message. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #22

many didn't think her message was sincere... eniwetok Apr 2017 #29

Then it's on them. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #34

No argument from me mvd Apr 2017 #24

No argument from me either bekkilyn Apr 2017 #31

Are you aware that corporations cannot donate to campaigns or national committees, by law? DanTex Apr 2017 #33

it's somewhat irrelevant eniwetok Apr 2017 #35

Actually, it's entirely relevant. You're saying that Dems should refrain from doing something DanTex Apr 2017 #37

so NO Dems run PACS? eniwetok Apr 2017 #38

It's not a molehill, its a blatant misrepresentation of facts. DanTex Apr 2017 #40

So you think Democrats should not have pacs to get Democrats elected... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #44

Gee... why isn't anyone talking about INOCULATING VOTERS eniwetok Apr 2017 #39