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MADem

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45. Are you factoring in the tax refund as well?

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:29 PM

Jul 2012

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc502.html

I look at the OP as a straw man argument that serves as a jumping off point for discussion of the topic. I wouldn't get overly wrapped around the axle as to sneakers and iPads and what-not. It's an all-too-common device here at DU to make somewhat outrageous and overly dramatic statements in order to generate conversation on a subject--certainly not the first time I've seen that kind of thing here. Just consider the source and don't take these things too personally--I try not to, it's a waste of energy, really, when you think about it!

I don't know if you've come across these pages yet, but they might be useful to you:

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/nc.html
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/choices/pre-existing-condition-insurance-plan/nc.html
http://www.inclusivehealth.org/questions.htm (non-profit insurer in NC)

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If You Can Afford Cell Phones, iPads, Video Games, Nike Shoes, Netflix, Then Under The ACA... [View all] Yavin4 Jul 2012 OP

K/R (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #1

I pay $19000 annual+ for insurance of my family of 3. And I have none of the above... Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #2

The ACA LOWERS Your Cost for Health Insurance Yavin4 Jul 2012 #5

Really. I am 55 years old and ACA guarantees that people my age can be charged 3 times more Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #12

Have you run your details through this site? MADem Jul 2012 #37

All insurance companies completely charge 3x more than people younger. this has not changed. n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #61

Not so far it hasn't. BC/BS has gone up significantly since ACA passage. leveymg Jul 2012 #51

If your household income is over 400% of the poverty level bornskeptic Jul 2012 #57

Health coverage has gone up, drastically. Poverty line for family of 3 is $19K. You do the math. leveymg Jul 2012 #58

Then it doesn't harm you. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #53

you pay $1,600 a month for health insurance? I pay $200.. and I"m in my 50s. n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #59

What a bunch of crap rationalization. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #3

How So? Yavin4 Jul 2012 #4

I can't afford a flat screen TV and I can't afford health insurance. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #6

Use The Calculator At The Link Yavin4 Jul 2012 #8

That's where I got the numbers in my post. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #11

Where Are You Getting $4100 A Year???? Yavin4 Jul 2012 #13

1 person. $44,000. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #15

A Portion of That $4180 Is Tax Deductible Right? Yavin4 Jul 2012 #16

That moves to 10% floor in 2014. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #22

Don't take this the wrong way, but unless you are already a dual citizen, Canada doesn't want you. MADem Jul 2012 #10

Well, you would be wrong. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #14

You have a needed skill that isn't present in the Canadian population, or in any of the MADem Jul 2012 #18

I've read that website. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #20

Itemize your income taxes. Are you self-employed? MADem Jul 2012 #36

Yes, there are so many things that factor into the whole equation. Which is why the absolutist Hissyspit Jul 2012 #39

Are you factoring in the tax refund as well? MADem Jul 2012 #45

As long as it allows the poor to buy those things along with ACA... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #7

Everyone Has to Prioritize Their Spending Yavin4 Jul 2012 #9

Yes, if all those people without insurance would just prioritize their spending Merlot Jul 2012 #25

These threads are so off-putting. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #17

self-delete Skittles Jul 2012 #19

Netflix is like $10 a month Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #21

You can get a Tracfone or Net 10 phone for that price, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #47

Why do you assume DUers are stupid? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #23

Interesting point. You win the math test. Zalatix Jul 2012 #40

That was my thought as well. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #42

Netflix costs $8 per month Merlot Jul 2012 #24

As far as moving to another state to get Medicaid, that has been going on for years. When a person freshwest Jul 2012 #26

What an effective talking point. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #27

That's not a 'talking point.' It's a matter of record about how badly the poor are treated. freshwest Jul 2012 #29

I'm not saying you are using it as a talking point. The OP is using it as a talking point. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #32

If you can afford an XBox, you're not poor. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #28

And yet it has 18 recs. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #31

Those mighty defenders of the status quo, OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #33

This is the worst argument ever for the ACA limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #30

TOTALLY agree. nt Raine Jul 2012 #34

Kind of hard to do when you can't even get rid of Rick Snyder or Scott Walker. Zalatix Jul 2012 #35

I'm UK and have got our NHS dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #38

A Question for all of the posters on this thread who disagree with me Yavin4 Jul 2012 #41

Why does it have to be a regressive sales tax? laundry_queen Jul 2012 #43

A Sales Tax Is The Only Sure Fire Way To Make Everyone Pay Into The System Yavin4 Jul 2012 #46

The rich go offshore in that case. It's what happened in UK. MADem Jul 2012 #49

Your point is entirely valid--it was the tone of your OP that has some up-in-arms. MADem Jul 2012 #48

Sorry for my tone. Yavin4 Jul 2012 #54

It didn't bother me, personally. I kind of saw what you were doing. MADem Jul 2012 #56

"If You Can Afford Cell Phones, iPads, Video Games, Nike Shoes, Netflix, Then " NCTraveler Jul 2012 #44

You ever actually pawn anything? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #60

I've never pawned anything....but I have watched those pawn shop shows on cable! MADem Jul 2012 #63

Auctions are a huge crapshoot.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #64

I was not talking about the OP's list. I was talking about some of the stuff I see people drag into MADem Jul 2012 #65

Maybe, you never really know for sure.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #66

I fear we're separated by a common language, here! MADem Jul 2012 #67

I was just using ebay as an easily searchable example... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #68

There are regional houses that do business, like Skinner's, which is also very high end. MADem Jul 2012 #71

Not sure what this has to do with my reply. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #70

If you can afford to donate to DU and have internet connection you don't qualify for ACA... L0oniX Jul 2012 #50

I buy a pair of Nike kicks, I *get* Nike kicks...Forced to buy health *insurance* , AzDar Jul 2012 #52

This is the same argument the Repukes make about foodstamps B2G Jul 2012 #55

Wait, are we doing that thing where we blame poor people for their own problems? Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #62

It isn't that simple, I do medicaid for a living. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2012 #69

That's the big problem with this country, working people's children have it too good, LeftyMom Jul 2012 #72