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PoindexterOglethorpe

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15. Overbooking has been around for upwards of 50 years.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:31 AM
Apr 2017

I know because I was an airline ticket agent starting in January, 1969.

Back then there was a larger problem with no-shows, or people who held multiple reservations to cover various contingencies. Even today, not all tickets are non-refundable, and so to assume (as was the discussion in a different thread) that the airline will get its money even if a seat goes out empty, simply isn't correct.

The problem isn't the overbooking in the first place. The problem is when more confirmed passengers show up than there are seats for. Overbookings are standard practice to try to make up for no-shows. Airlines want every single flight to go out 100% full, if possible. Their mantra is that an empty seat can never be sold, and is totally lost revenue.

I understand that these days flights need to average an 85% load factor just to break even, which is horrifying. That says a lot about how seats are priced, and perhaps about how many seats are purchased using miles.

The airlines have gotten themselves into this situation by under-pricing most seats, and the idiocy of frequent flier programs. A good twenty years ago I was reading things about how the airlines were digging a deep hole with those programs, and I'm sure it's gotten vastly worse in the years since. I will also confess that I cannot begin to understand how anyone ever gets a seat with frequent flier miles, as I have never ever had enough miles to do so. Sigh.

Oh, and the Delta practice described is pure genius.
But the crucial point in the United situation is not that the flight was oversold, because it wasn't. It was that some crew members who needed to deadhead to pick up a flight showed up after this one was boarded. The United agents handled it very badly, to say the least. Why they didn't keep on upping the offer to get volunteers is beyond me. I've been in the gate area more than once when that has happened. Once, and only once, I took advantage of such an offer. Turned out to be well worth it.

Please do not think I am for one millisecond condoning what United did. They were wrong. Totally and completely. There was a far better way to handle what happened, including biting the bullet about the crew members not being accomodated.

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Overbooking is still ridiculous. pangaia Apr 2017 #1
The problem is, customers hate that policy more. They don't want to pay for a seat PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #3
Not always. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #6
If you are on a connecting flight and your flight is delayed, ToxMarz Apr 2017 #13
That was my point. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #16
Overbooking has been around for a long time. cos dem Apr 2017 #7
Overbooking has been around for upwards of 50 years. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #15
If all of the airlines adopted a strict 24 hour notice... Yavin4 Apr 2017 #29
pretty smart actually Dem2 Apr 2017 #2
Simple, easy, thrifty. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #4
I've never had a problem Delta and previously Northwest GP6971 Apr 2017 #5
I like Delta BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #8
My brother-in-law flies internationally weekly and swears by Delta underpants Apr 2017 #30
Delta's customer service used to be horrible. athena Apr 2017 #31
Yeah underpants Apr 2017 #32
It is a great idea HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #9
race to the bottom on the bids thing. how about 75 cents, customers? nt msongs Apr 2017 #10
? No one is forced to bid lower than they want to ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #17
that is a great idea. just giving money or gift cards might even get more offers JI7 Apr 2017 #11
If you do not want to go on a business trip HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #12
and to my knowledge Delta has never had a passenger beaten for buying a ticket and sitting on their TeamPooka Apr 2017 #14
The other key is their vouchers are easily redeemable. Barack_America Apr 2017 #18
YES this is the key - vouchers that can actually be used - having had bad experience w/ voucher Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2017 #24
except when everyone on the flight has a place to be. barbtries Apr 2017 #19
No, that wasn't clearly the case with Louisville. They stopped the bidding at $800. Just because pnwmom Apr 2017 #21
what i think they should have done barbtries Apr 2017 #22
The key piece of data needed is when can they get me there instead if I give up my seat? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #20
Same for me... Phentex Apr 2017 #23
What if they offered you $5K or $10K? pnwmom Apr 2017 #25
You are right - that is how a seat buy back program should work exboyfil Apr 2017 #26
Why be Logical? dlk Apr 2017 #27
Thanks for the article share exboyfil Apr 2017 #28
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