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MADem

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88. I have no doubt attempts will be made via the legal system to gain justice
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:55 PM
Apr 2017

for Dr. Dao. Those attempts will serve two purposes:

They will threaten to bring the issue back up in the public eye after UNITED has tamped it down somewhat and is trying to shift blame to the police (after the attempt to call Dao a nutter failed);

They'll encourage UNITED to up the ante and provide a larger settlement amount to keep this issue out of the news.


The bottom line, though, is that UNITED does have that "arbitration first" clause if you are a pax suing them about your treatment. Someone can bring them to court, of course, and re-ignite the issue, even if the case is eventually referred to arbitration (the whole "standing" thing doesn't go away just because Dao hired a big shot attorney). And of course, if arbitration fails, the courts are still there as a recourse. It's not "arbitration or bust," it's "arbitration first."

It's in the interest of UNITED, all that said, to throw money at this mess and get it behind them. Start with "settlement" and see how it goes. They'll now have to provide two good paydays--one to Dao, the other to his lawyer.

The article provided incorrectly makes an issue of "overbooking" as if that's a hook upon which to hang their complaint - but the fact of the matter is, this flight was NOT overbooked. It was fully booked, and then. subsequently, the airline had a need (probably because of a delay elsewhere in the system) to get a crew to a base because, most likely, the crew that was supposed to take the flight they were meeting had exceeded crew rest parameters. Those crewmembers were non-rev deadheaders enroute to an assignment--not "overbooked passengers." There's a distinction there, and a difference. Again, the fuckups came from SCHEDULING--they'd have been better off shifting a reserve crew from another base that was perhaps further away but with more opportunities to accommodate non-revs, perhaps on more than one flight. This was a management problem, not an overbooking problem.

Also not mentioned in that article are the people who actually dragged the guy off the plane--UNITED worked swiftly to brand them as assholes when all they were was good little robots doing as they were told (and who knows WHAT they were told, really...if someone needs to be removed from a plane, the status quo is to assume the pax is "disruptive" and some sort of FAA breach of conduct is the cause). The police have a very good union--you're not going to hear the NAMES of those officers, who are on leave, with full pay. They're better protected by their agency and union than Dao, the victim, was, certainly. They'll probably go back to work after receiving a bit of "guidance" (i.e. after the heat dies down).

UNITED is like most corporations--quantity over quality, fast dimes are better than slow dollars, charge the most for the least you can get away with, etc. And that includes their WORKERS, who are a) Paid in the dark with ever-shrinking benefit packages, b) Overworked and harassed by management to push senior people out to be replaced by lower-salaried newbies, and c) Not backed up by corporate management when they do what management tells them to do.

It's real easy to find the "blame" lying at the feet of a flight attendant or gate agent (who isn't the "Captain" of the aircraft and doesn't get to make decisions of that nature as to what happens on said aircraft) and ignore the demands coming from the Scheduling Department, as passed down by the Board of Directors in order to squeeze a few more dimes outta the system. It's a pernicious thing. The torches and pitchforks tend to gravitate towards the easiest and most likely schmuck to burn/stab--i.e. low-level employees who do the grunt work, not their bosses who order them about.

The fact of the matter is that the UNITED CEO, who eventually shuffled onto TV and gave a teary, heartfelt interview, is the guy who should have gotten out in front of this first with a flat out "WE fucked up and WE are sorry," and not tried to blame everyone from his own junior personnel to the cops to the victim.

His policies, coming from his boardroom, caused the incident in the first place.

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Then why is the CEO of United speaking to the problem Laurian Apr 2017 #1
He is the CEO of United Express as well. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #2
I guess I don't understand why you think this distinction has a bearing Laurian Apr 2017 #3
It's a FUD attempt SecularMotion Apr 2017 #7
Ты сдул мое укрытие. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #55
Undercover? SecularMotion Apr 2017 #56
They aren't the ones who did it. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #78
Do you have to attack the OP in this way? Completely uncalled for. Doodley Apr 2017 #84
Yes. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #8
Looks like the CEO at UNITED doesn't care what you think. MADem Apr 2017 #12
What about the Chicago Aviation Department? PJMcK Apr 2017 #11
Someone made the decision to call the police and brief them as to the problem. MADem Apr 2017 #13
I don't agree, MADem PJMcK Apr 2017 #20
They are responsibile for the entire thing start to finish. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #30
Your response is not legally supportable PJMcK Apr 2017 #38
According to a lawyer quoted on here United Swagman Apr 2017 #57
Why are you blaming the flight attendants? MADem Apr 2017 #60
I think it is more likely than not that if an officer is involved in an altercation MADem Apr 2017 #59
More developments PJMcK Apr 2017 #86
I have no doubt attempts will be made via the legal system to gain justice MADem Apr 2017 #88
Your essay is remarkable! PJMcK Apr 2017 #97
There will be no day in court. MADem Apr 2017 #96
Does the Chicago Department of Aviation have an agreement to provide security? csziggy Apr 2017 #72
It might be more complicated than that--not a "contract" type arrangement. MADem Apr 2017 #73
Good question PJMcK Apr 2017 #83
You don't send three cops onto a plane to drag a passenger off MADem Apr 2017 #37
The Aviation officers don't report to United PJMcK Apr 2017 #43
They were called to remove a stubborn passenger. They did that. MADem Apr 2017 #49
I had a flight cancelled because they couldn't get the crew to D.C. on time, so they CAN do that. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #92
They absolutely can do it, but they HATE to do it. MADem Apr 2017 #95
No, the officer was NOT from Chicago police department. LisaL Apr 2017 #14
Thanks for the correction PJMcK Apr 2017 #17
Another thought PJMcK Apr 2017 #23
Someone from CPD stuck their beak in, which created the confusion MADem Apr 2017 #32
Not only that, he adressed United employees in a letter that same day. eShirl Apr 2017 #5
Pretty sure the gate employees bmbmd Apr 2017 #54
Bingo--if they wear the UNITED logo (and they did), they take the UNITED hit. MADem Apr 2017 #10
If my well pump breaks I'll call you. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #4
Did they beat him? janterry Apr 2017 #6
This is relevant to what? OldHippieChick Apr 2017 #19
I thought I read that people were calling it a beating janterry Apr 2017 #31
He was bleeding from his mouth. That qualifies as a "beating." Full stop. anneboleyn Apr 2017 #68
Well janterry Apr 2017 #80
He lost a couple of teeth and had some surgery--jaw, maybe? nt MADem Apr 2017 #89
Yes, I had seen what's been written janterry Apr 2017 #94
These pro-United posts are making me VERY depressed about the state of DU. I don't believe for anneboleyn Apr 2017 #70
Same thing happened a couple years back when those accelerators were sticking. Iggo Apr 2017 #91
Consider the source. This is very typical behavior. Coventina Apr 2017 #93
Yes they beat him clearly. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #35
It was on purpose and janterry Apr 2017 #39
That's cops. That's who they are. That's what they do. Iggo Apr 2017 #58
I thought they weren't police? janterry Apr 2017 #75
A cop's a cop. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2017 #85
Look on YouTube. There are a thousand different posts of it on YouTube. anneboleyn Apr 2017 #71
They probably had tickets purchased from PRICELINE/ORBITZ/CHEAPTIX, etc. MADem Apr 2017 #40
I read that, too janterry Apr 2017 #44
Also, if you're travelling alone, you're ripe for the plucking. MADem Apr 2017 #50
He is in the hospital with a broken jaw according to CNN. That beaten enough for you? JTFrog Apr 2017 #36
They smashed his head into the metal arm rest. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #77
Except LP2K12 Apr 2017 #9
Several points, here. MADem Apr 2017 #16
Ah Assault and a civil rights violation are not protected... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #24
+1 dalton99a Apr 2017 #33
Though it seems counterintuitive, that is correct. MADem Apr 2017 #53
The OP information is useful for what entities to treestar Apr 2017 #65
United Express is a branch of United Airlines. eShirl Apr 2017 #15
No, it isn't "just a brand name"--they have a formal business relationship. MADem Apr 2017 #18
It's the brand name for the regional branch of United Airlines. eShirl Apr 2017 #21
I think we're on the same page, here. They're a branch of UNITED. nt MADem Apr 2017 #42
Are you kidding? It carries United's trademark ...thus they are liable for anything done Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #22
Distinction without a difference hatrack Apr 2017 #25
+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #27
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #52
What's your point? Who summoned the cops? - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #26
1. Shirley Sherrod. 2. Flight was NOT overbooked. Airline made last-minute bullwinkle428 Apr 2017 #28
I guess someone had to post the stupidest thing on the internet today. JTFrog Apr 2017 #29
yep - hard to beat this one DrDan Apr 2017 #47
Well, with the sale of a trademark comes responsibilities. Hugin Apr 2017 #34
"Republic Air"? Are you sure it's not "Republican Air"? athena Apr 2017 #41
But United Airlines royally screwed up the aftermath mainer Apr 2017 #45
ridiculous - The CEO has apologized and promised to do better DrDan Apr 2017 #46
Yeah, nice try. tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #48
Right? WoonTars Apr 2017 #61
Completely irrelevant to the discussion, really. MineralMan Apr 2017 #51
Pssst.... your Freudian slip is showing. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #62
They were flying under their label treestar Apr 2017 #63
This is like Lowes telling me that the contractor they hired to Mad-in-Mo Apr 2017 #64
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH UNITED IS HOLY AND INNOCENT POSTS. I thought this shit ended yesterday anneboleyn Apr 2017 #66
You should let the United CEO know what you found out Renew Deal Apr 2017 #67
Haven't seen this much fail since Will Pitt's attack on the ACA. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #69
Ha. You must have United stock. United had everything to do with this insanity. sarcasmo Apr 2017 #74
If they license their name to another company LisaM Apr 2017 #76
They weren't "Chicago Police" i.e. members of the CPD. They were aviation police, pnwmom Apr 2017 #79
This is funny. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #81
Flights on United Express are listed as United flights. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #82
Those weren't cops, they were airport security whose salaries are paid by big airlines in Chicago geek tragedy Apr 2017 #87
Tell that to United CEO Munoz. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #90
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