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Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
150. Are we going to have to deal with this attitude in 2018 and 2020 too?
Fri Apr 14, 2017, 01:26 PM
Apr 2017

I keep reading all these posts screaming at the very people we need to win over for next time, and others saying 'we don't need those traitors!' etc etc etc.

Newsflash: We do need them, and if we treat them with condescension and disrespect we're not going to get their votes. Worse, we might very well be handing their votes to our ideological enemies.

Wake up. Voters don't owe us a goddamn thing, and it's time we started remembering that and putting in the hard work of selling our ideas rather than expecting people to buy them by default.

Where are the "Hillary is a warmonger" folks. nycbos Apr 2017 #1
Never, they wanted a republican all along, most of them. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #2
I'll just leave that opening alone. Ligyron Apr 2017 #194
I know several Trump voters, gordianot Apr 2017 #3
You do recall that she advocated bombing Syria shortly before Trump actually bombed it, right? n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #5
I think the poster is referring to a pre-emptive strike on N Korea which has nukes, but I could be.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #6
Correct Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #125
Please don't spread fake news and propoganda. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #9
+1 oasis Apr 2017 #10
It was strange, but SCVDem Apr 2017 #32
"Trump did what SOS Clinton recommended." ecstatic Apr 2017 #48
+1000 dchill Apr 2017 #63
I like the phrase SCVDem Apr 2017 #82
Do you think that Assad would have mercuryblues Apr 2017 #265
I didn't say she was for Trump's stunt. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #38
No. It's not valid. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #52
My post ws a response to someone taking pot shots Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #62
It does not include Hillary Clinton. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #67
Did she, or did she not, recommend bombing the airfields in Syria? Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #74
Hillary had a strategy.. she rec bombing the airfields so Cha Apr 2017 #98
In other words, the answer is "Yes" Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #114
Hillary is being smart about this.. but NO the fucking Cha Apr 2017 #118
Your inability to stay on topic is astounding. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #183
You're inability to stay on the TOPIC of the OP is duly noted. Cha Apr 2017 #198
Exactly, WR.. ".. this shit is why we have the asshole Cha Apr 2017 #91
You stated, "Advocating the military resolution of conflicts is not a position I can ever support," politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2017 #240
If she has never been a war monger NobodyHere Apr 2017 #104
They all did... jazzcat23 Apr 2017 #185
Complete BS PassingFair Apr 2017 #258
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2017 #250
So even after the last 90 days GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #26
The post to which I responded was mocking people who previously expressed concerns Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #40
her recent statements and her record is not the same as Trump's JHan Apr 2017 #139
I never said there were. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #179
Then... JHan Apr 2017 #189
"she would need a U/N coalition to enforce the no fly zone" Why? We didn't need one in Iraq from AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #184
Had your little rant? Good JHan Apr 2017 #186
Russia said 'stop it' in Iraq. Didn't stop us. Didn't stop Bill from continuing it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #188
I get all of that but this is what I worry about.. JHan Apr 2017 #193
K & R x 100000 VigilantG Apr 2017 #227
She wanted to stop them from bombing kids by taking out the air planes and fields...not Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #42
Any time we drop bombs, we also kill (or accept the possibility of death as collateral damge) Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #70
not likely, since Hillary advocated a strike on Syria just hours before Trump fired the missiles virtualobserver Apr 2017 #56
That's been Hillary's strategy since the campaign.. Cha Apr 2017 #232
I understand that.... virtualobserver Apr 2017 #234
You know, a lot of the 'Hillary is a warmonger' folks, as you call them, were decent PatrickforO Apr 2017 #80
the Hillary is a warmonger folks were idiots who gave us trump Gothmog Apr 2017 #174
Susan Sarandon and Cornel West TSIAS Apr 2017 #4
Whatever, dude HopeAgain Apr 2017 #31
bingo Champion Jack Apr 2017 #39
Agreed BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #169
Susan Sarandon and Cornel West. LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #81
"The prominent Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable" Cha Apr 2017 #95
Nobody said that shit. They fucking helped. Cha Apr 2017 #93
two people are responsible for the end of the world? The Big Ragu Apr 2017 #123
They are obviously the anti-christ and the false prophet. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #141
How are multiple people tazkcmo Apr 2017 #145
Whoa colsohlibgal Apr 2017 #7
It is the third party...last time they gave us United...now they gifted us nukes... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #43
Breathe... Baconator Apr 2017 #8
No. I agree with the OP. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #11
People are responsible for their individual vote... Baconator Apr 2017 #13
If people were too fucking stupid to understand the stakes in this election WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #14
I suspect they don't care about your forgiveness... Baconator Apr 2017 #16
And I don't really give a shit if they do or not. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #17
So make a stronger case and bring them to our side... Baconator Apr 2017 #18
No. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #19
Some of them think you all already sacrificed many of those beliefs HopeAgain Apr 2017 #36
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #55
You Say Idealistic ProfessorGAC Apr 2017 #117
So he is expected to go along, in lock step HopeAgain Apr 2017 #120
Hilarious ProfessorGAC Apr 2017 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author HopeAgain Apr 2017 #132
Selfish? HopeAgain Apr 2017 #134
Do You Do Stand-Up? ProfessorGAC Apr 2017 #160
Me? HopeAgain Apr 2017 #163
This kind of sanctimony is utterly unconvincing and has been since Nader in 2000 stevenleser Apr 2017 #204
Clearly you know nothing about being sanctimonious HopeAgain Apr 2017 #238
Nope, not when it comes to preventing lunatics from getting their hands on nukes and stevenleser Apr 2017 #241
So well said! mcar Apr 2017 #152
+1000 bekkilyn Apr 2017 #144
That dog will no longer hunt here. GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #33
Having seen such individuals justify their BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #187
It's this "my way or the highway" purity BS... Baconator Apr 2017 #190
I am afraid that it is YOU BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #191
What's the old saying? Baconator Apr 2017 #192
Exactly, Blue.. those who throw "smack" around like Cha Apr 2017 #216
As long as propagandists are willing to dissemble lapucelle Apr 2017 #34
Let me guess - - you want us to get on our knees Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #59
I think you should be able to make a convincing case... Baconator Apr 2017 #71
Is anyone arguing otherwise... or are you simply attempting to look relevant and clever? LanternWaste Apr 2017 #112
There seems to be little interest in gaining... Baconator Apr 2017 #166
That's because sanctimony is completely unpersuasive. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #205
So do it sans sanctimony... Baconator Apr 2017 #223
We don't use sanctimony so we are doing just fine. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #242
yup Champion Jack Apr 2017 #41
Nope the third party assholes who claim to be progressive but allowed Trump Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #44
on candidate had RUSSIA AND THE FBI AGAINST HER Skittles Apr 2017 #90
People would rather blame anyone other than a candidate's responsibility to earn votes bekkilyn Apr 2017 #142
WE are and We have a Right to Rant while doing so. Cha Apr 2017 #101
Wont be able to when the bombs hit and the bombs will be the fault of 3rd party Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #126
+1000 kairos12 Apr 2017 #12
Anybody seen the On the Beach. Demtexan Apr 2017 #15
Yes, I saw the movie, the TV series, and read the book. classof56 Apr 2017 #20
I saw that movie when a little kid. Demtexan Apr 2017 #22
T.V. Series? busterbrown Apr 2017 #178
It was an Australian TV special in 2000. classof56 Apr 2017 #221
thanks. and got it.. n/t busterbrown Apr 2017 #222
Good book by English/Australian novelist Nevil Shute. VOX Apr 2017 #21
I just saw movie. Demtexan Apr 2017 #24
Posts like this will do a lot to being them back to voting for Democrats. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #23
If they didn't vote for the Democrats in this election, WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #27
So you want to keep them voting for other people than your candidate? Gore1FL Apr 2017 #37
Fuck them...they didn't vote for our candidate and can never be trusted... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #45
+1 oasis Apr 2017 #50
So you'd prefer they vote GOP? Gore1FL Apr 2017 #88
Don't you mean "our" candidate. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #58
Assuming the you want the Democratic candidate. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #87
Right? shanti Apr 2017 #79
Eating a tuna salad will do just as much as well. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #113
I am not sure what tuna salad has to do with not shunning potential allies in future elections Gore1FL Apr 2017 #121
Familiar, so if I dont kiss your ass you will vote to kill the human race...sigh Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #128
I am saying it's not a good strategy to alienate people that you need help from. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #148
No, you are saying if we arent nice to you , well you will just show us! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #149
I voted for Clinton in 2016. Your misdirected animosity is getting worse. nt Gore1FL Apr 2017 #162
no matter, what matters is the attitude, non unity...not my doing. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #164
Bombastic attacks on would-be Democratic voters is not helpful, however. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #167
this is why Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #168
I'd prefer not to repeat those results. That's why it important to build rather than burn bridges. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #181
If you won't vote against a lunatic who might destroy us all because your ego isn't assuaged stevenleser Apr 2017 #206
Personally, I prefer winning to whining. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #210
Not according to the record. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #211
So you think attacking me, despite voting for Clinton in 2016 is a good idea too? Gore1FL Apr 2017 #224
Never have to use it VigilantG Apr 2017 #25
I understand the anger Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #28
All very well and good but not giving these third party traitors a pass. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #46
I know Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #53
Deal with? How? Trump has the nukes, our chance to DEAL with this was in November. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #129
I hear you Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #155
Normally I try to break up the fighting retrowire Apr 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #60
Such a strange thing to say for someone who's been a member for a day! Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #68
Isn't it? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #69
Scam election anyway. triron Apr 2017 #30
Wow. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #61
I've read that the 3rd party votes would NOT have made a difference.. vkkv Apr 2017 #35
You read one of their self serving posts...if you look at the numbers...there Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #47
This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #51
Show us the links please vkkv Apr 2017 #57
Here are the numbers. You and Demsrule86 are BOTH wrong. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #75
Those #'s mean zilch. It is a big "IF" that 3rd party voters would have voted for HRC vkkv Apr 2017 #124
For every 3rd party vote in that election there were two people who decided NOT to vote Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #130
The numbers mean a little bit more than zilch, but certainly don't tell the whole story Jim Lane Apr 2017 #153
If 3rd party Assholes like stein and sarandon hadn't LIED Cha Apr 2017 #218
Every vote makes a difference. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #64
Oh, because you "read it".. it's true? Go ahead and Cha Apr 2017 #94
Prove it. betsuni Apr 2017 #96
It won't do any good. They'll go to their radioactive graves smugly congratulating themselves Aristus Apr 2017 #49
Ridiculous to attack and insult people who did not vote for Trump. Doodley Apr 2017 #54
They failed to vote for the only candidate capable of Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #65
It is called democracy. Do you believe in it? Doodley Apr 2017 #83
Absolutely. What does that have to do with anything? Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #85
Thank you for trump, thank you very much. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #131
Yes, and we believe we can hold people responsible for their votes and decisions stevenleser Apr 2017 #207
It's called Getting Suckered in by LIES.. Being the Cha Apr 2017 #230
so if you buy into a lie, assuming that happened, should you be damned to hell for it? By what logic JCanete Apr 2017 #246
No. It's not. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #66
I agree Trump is the biggest asshole, but you don't win people over by insulting them. Doodley Apr 2017 #84
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #86
"Winning over" "Kissing asses and begging" NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #143
That's not how voting or even math works PDittie Apr 2017 #103
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #72
Appropriate to attack assholes like this.. sarandon:.. Cha Apr 2017 #92
He is gonna kill either all humans or just a few million. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #133
Of course he'd like to kill us for not voting for him and Cha Apr 2017 #196
And there is NO DIFFERENCE MFM008 Apr 2017 #73
They look like stupid assholes while the Planet Cha Apr 2017 #99
Hell is 3rd party voters. betsuni Apr 2017 #76
Let's hope that the nukes NEVER fly, shall we. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #77
This MOAb is just the "taster" it didn't work they are laughing at dump. The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #78
Fuck every last enabler. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #89
Yeah, Fuck OFF ALL the Enablers for this Fucking Bullshit Cha Apr 2017 #97
Even now, there are those who coddle them, validate them and make excuses for them... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #106
Nope.. stein voters were LOW information voters.. the pawn for putin Cha Apr 2017 #109
I wont be able to watch my family grow up, because of posters in THIS THREAD Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #135
Which posters in this thread voted third party or not at all? Marengo Apr 2017 #257
Mahalo, Eliot!!! Cha Apr 2017 #100
If you are a Democrat and you voted, but didn't vote for the DEMOCRATIC democratisphere Apr 2017 #102
THANKS Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #136
You attract more flies with honey than vinegar you know NobodyHere Apr 2017 #105
NObody wants stupid flies. Cha Apr 2017 #111
Thread win! mcar Apr 2017 #154
Aloha, mcar Cha Apr 2017 #197
Flies don't vote. betsuni Apr 2017 #115
and you kill more with a fly swatter than you do with kindness... Phentex Apr 2017 #119
Most Stein voters are fake progressives Bradical79 Apr 2017 #107
What about the former Obama voters? vi5 Apr 2017 #108
According to people here, they don't exist bekkilyn Apr 2017 #146
Well, the people here... vi5 Apr 2017 #147
There will *ALWAYS* be 3rd party voters. ALWAYS. Might as well yell at water for running down hill. yodermon Apr 2017 #110
Agreed.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #137
Yeah, and there will always be LYING A$$ Privilege ELITE.. Cha Apr 2017 #228
+1000000 nt Sunsky Apr 2017 #116
Nope, it's not the 3rd party voters jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #127
It's also the LYING A$$ Privilege Elite who Sucker Cha Apr 2017 #229
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #138
100 million + Trump and non-voters ought to partake of the blame. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #140
What? Blame Trump voters for putting Trump in office? Mariana Apr 2017 #161
*ANYONE* who played a role putting that orange piece of SHIT into office Skittles Apr 2017 #180
And yet, the OP doesn't call them all out. Mariana Apr 2017 #199
I don't give a fuck what the OP misses Skittles Apr 2017 #214
And those of us who could have done more, but didn't. Orsino Apr 2017 #251
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2017 #253
Are we going to have to deal with this attitude in 2018 and 2020 too? Kentonio Apr 2017 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #151
Depends, will sanctimony again win over common sense for some? stevenleser Apr 2017 #208
Ok Steve.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #213
And you keep defending crappy decision that may destroy us all. stevenleser Apr 2017 #261
Just explain to me how saying 'fuck you' to 3rd party voters Kentonio Apr 2017 #263
I hear that there are enough suburban Republicans voters ready to change parties... That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #220
Susan Sarandon: Trump more likely to bring 'revolution' than Clinton workinclasszero Apr 2017 #156
Saw her on Colbert and nearly ran head first into my TV. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #157
Yup workinclasszero Apr 2017 #158
um yeah, not in a good way. What's your point. She wasn't saying that Trump was going to be a good JCanete Apr 2017 #247
I ignore these kinds of threads Wednesdays Apr 2017 #159
Yes and no, I see your point but since we now know the same thing Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #165
Yeah, I see you're "ignoring" it. Cha Apr 2017 #217
A vote for stein or Johnson was a vote for trump Gothmog Apr 2017 #170
Thank you, it is dangerous for me to say that but I am glad you did. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #172
Do these idiots are not done Gothmog Apr 2017 #175
what a wonderfully anti-democratic sentiment. nt tomp Apr 2017 #182
It's not undemocratic at all. That poster didn't say the vote should be illegal stevenleser Apr 2017 #209
there is an intimidating tone behind this entire thread... tomp Apr 2017 #215
LOL betsuni Apr 2017 #219
Judging from some of the responses to this OP.... BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #171
they accomplished their jobs, I have been put on notice to cut it out Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #173
Ah yes, if we don't join in the two minutes of hate Kentonio Apr 2017 #200
"The prominent Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable" Cha Apr 2017 #202
Maybe I missed a post Kentonio Apr 2017 #212
Whomever with a gd agenda. Cha Apr 2017 #203
The Obama Years: The Power of Words. The Smithsonian Channel has this documentary, and I cannot still_one Apr 2017 #176
Vote Democratic! Cary Apr 2017 #177
Wait, I thought it was all Bernie's fault. Ligyron Apr 2017 #195
Yeah you are. Cha Apr 2017 #201
It's easier to grab and attack scapegoats at random than to build coalitions. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #225
Never mind that insanity definition. HILLARY 2020! It's time for a woman in the White House! brewens Apr 2017 #226
Uncalled for. People make mistakes, or just evolve how they think on things. We have JCanete Apr 2017 #231
If only the next Democratic candidate for president in the general election betsuni Apr 2017 #233
Brilliant post, betsuni.. Mahalo! Cha Apr 2017 #235
Thanks! betsuni Apr 2017 #236
Excellent! Thank you, betsuni. R B Garr Apr 2017 #239
I don't know what you're trying to say. There are some that didn't trust Clinton's intentions. JCanete Apr 2017 #244
How many times do we need to "Let it go"? How many idiots and lunatics need to be elected? stevenleser Apr 2017 #243
Next time will be some of the same people and some different people. It is people's right JCanete Apr 2017 #245
No, that doesn't work. None of that makes sense. stevenleser Apr 2017 #254
Good luck on your inspiring campaign. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #256
And your defense of a course that may lead to nuclear holocaust is!? nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #260
that your approach certainly did not help to avert it. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #262
Sure it did and obviously so. Just think on it, you'll get it eventually. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #264
"That's one ugly baby you got there". ZX86 Apr 2017 #237
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Apr 2017 #248
I'm sure the feeling is nmutual. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #249
I am sure you are right, that their feeling is allowing the worst human being alive to be Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #259
stein: On war, trump is safer than Clinton.. Cha Apr 2017 #252
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #255
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