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Romulox

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13. It's an argument that assumes its premise; in what way are NAFTA (or the upcomming TPP)
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012

"in the working class's best interest"?

The very framing of the question is both self-congratulatory and utterly lacking in introspection.

it's that there's no one left to really make the economic case to them in the first place.


Indeed, they are hostile to anyone even asking about these issues... "Would you prefer Romney?" is the best they seem to offer.
a good understanding of this is to riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #1
"These are the famous "interest groups" that take over the Democratic Party" Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #2
I tend to agree that identity issue groups didn't literally take over the party. What i'd say is HiPointDem Jul 2012 #3
so Mondale was "center-right"? Dukakis was "center-right"? hfojvt Jul 2012 #29
No and yes. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #30
Fuck the reason why they do it. They key is working around those assholes. craigmatic Jul 2012 #4
yeah, there's a winning strategy. how's that working for you? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #5
Well we got HCR and Obama elected the first time. So I think it's working pretty well. craigmatic Jul 2012 #6
there's the difference between you & most people. corporatist policies & candidates = "victory". HiPointDem Jul 2012 #7
Well give examples of how your way of thinking has won us anything at all recently. craigmatic Jul 2012 #15
i can't give examples re the party, because no such thinking or efforts have been made "recently". HiPointDem Jul 2012 #16
Then what are you complaing about then? You yourself just admitted in a roundabout way that craigmatic Jul 2012 #19
admitted no such thing. i'm complaining as i've been complaining since reagan. you prefer HiPointDem Jul 2012 #23
I have no master. I just recognize progress when I see it even if it's small. craigmatic Jul 2012 #25
1 step forward, 2 steps back. par for the last 30 years. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #26
I worked, for years, in a union shop, with a guy who always voted republican. No matter how many demosincebirth Jul 2012 #8
Republicans use this welfare cheating to frame the argument and gather up those who believe it then Wild_Dog Jul 2012 #31
I don't think people ever vote against what they BELEIVE are their own interests, hughee99 Jul 2012 #9
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2012 #11
It is all about the goal of confusing them Wild_Dog Jul 2012 #32
Every time I try to read his stuff, I keep thinking of Elephants. n/t hughee99 Jul 2012 #35
Why do some people THINK they know kctim Jul 2012 #10
Is having clean water and clean air in everyone's best interest? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #12
no. not in the corporatists' interest. if there's universal clean water, who will pay for HiPointDem Jul 2012 #17
But eventually they'll run out of that. They'll end up covered in their own shit. Unless Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #20
no they won't. kill the underclass, problem solved. the history of the ruling class is written in HiPointDem Jul 2012 #22
Wait wait wait. You're saying if the water becomes polluted beyond consumption Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #24
Depends at what cost kctim Jul 2012 #18
I replied directly to your silly little comment. Which by the way didn't address dick. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #21
My comment wasn't the OP now was it? kctim Jul 2012 #27
I wasn't replying to the OP was I? I was addressing your broad brush comment. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #28
""Durp, you eggheads with yer fancy booklerin' and shit...." Wild_Dog Jul 2012 #34
It's an argument that assumes its premise; in what way are NAFTA (or the upcomming TPP) Romulox Jul 2012 #13
they are completely hostile, and anti-worker. and the 'workers are soooo stuuuuupid' take is HiPointDem Jul 2012 #14
After your BIZARRE attacks on me, I no longer believe you are sincere in this matter. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #38
Because, at least according to Democrats, MadHound Jul 2012 #33
For most people that is the only option. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #36
+1. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #37
Democrats, including the President, support TPP. Might as well go firebag it with Romney! Romulox Jul 2012 #39
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