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lapucelle

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100. It wasn't odd, it was strategic.

Sun Apr 16, 2017, 10:46 AM

Apr 2017

The Republicans had no interest in damaging Sanders during the primaries. Their goal was to soften up Clinton and divide Democrats. If Sanders won, they had a sledge hammer to hit him with. If Hillary won, they could continue to stoke the fires of division that they had so carefully laid during the run-up to the general.

This tactic is textbook Roger Stone. It's not lost on those of us who have witnessed Mr. Stone's handiwork for decades that his filthy, sticky fingerprints were all over the Trump campaign, despite his initial denials. His strategy was brilliant, and it worked.

Al Giordano has promised to primary Sanders in 2018 for his Senate seat. If he does, he has little chance of winning, but he will not be shy about going negative. I guess we'll see soon enough.

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Can we have a fresh face for 2020? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 OP

Why pick on Bernie? He's had only one shot at this... like Hillary, now it's his turn in 2020! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #1

Nobody is entitled to a "turn." The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #2

I fully agree. Nobody is entitled to a "turn." Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #9

They aren't entitled to a turn TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #139

Look how Pres. Obama came out of nowhere and won it all. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #20

Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter... Blanks Apr 2017 #71

True that...we have no idea who will run in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #109

If we learned nothing else from the last election... Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #76

+100 HopeAgain Apr 2017 #101

Right now Bernie stands the best chance of winning. 2020 is still a long way out though. jalan48 Apr 2017 #3

Agreed. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #12

Disagree completely. Breitbart has not turned its attention to Bernie, nor has Wikileaks. nikibatts Apr 2017 #36

What nonsense melman Apr 2017 #39

lol Because Bernie has sooo much baggage. NOT. FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #51

Baggage ---I haven't heard that lately. Candidates are not entitled to baggage delisen Apr 2017 #60

Kurt Eichenwald saw the Republican oppo research on Sanders, lapucelle Apr 2017 #82

Ya that "mythical" research is a famous talking point FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #95

It wasn't odd, it was strategic. lapucelle Apr 2017 #100

Again, not much dirt on Bernie. FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #104

What a great way to trash somebody HopeAgain Apr 2017 #102

I linked to a respected liberal-leaning investigative journalist lapucelle Apr 2017 #113

you're exactly correct radius777 Apr 2017 #143

"His gang"?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #120

I doubt it. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #121

As a Democrat? As an Independent? Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #125

Precisely Me. Apr 2017 #129

Bernie would have to run as a Democrat. jalan48 Apr 2017 #130

I'd like someone younger and more quick on his or her feet ecstatic Apr 2017 #5

No one is quicker on their feet than Bernie... he's clearly better than any prospective candidate. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #13

We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. ecstatic Apr 2017 #35

I see no evidence to support that. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author BlackCherokee Apr 2017 #132

Agreed RelativelyJones Apr 2017 #15

No one gets a 'turn'. You win a primary. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #7

I think we'll see John Hickenlooper Baconator Apr 2017 #14

I considered him but was worried that not enough people know who he is...he is great. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #16

He's a good example of someone... Baconator Apr 2017 #21

I will not discuss the last election...however, I like him. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #27

Please not my Governor FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #52

I heard him on "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" last week renate Apr 2017 #57

That's a great list. I'd love to see Franken or Murphy. Michelle's moonscape Apr 2017 #145

We have may great possibilities Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Apr 2017 #17

Elizabeth hell yeah. cwydro Apr 2017 #31

I would rather see him pass the baton to a younger progressive Warpy Apr 2017 #53

Why the ageism?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #73

Are you serious? Warpy Apr 2017 #74

Now you're just being a creature who lives under bridges. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #98

Bernie is as clear thinking, hard working & articulate in splainin his positions... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #116

Whether or not Bernie runs in 2020, he has a pivotal role to play Fiendish Thingy Apr 2017 #103

Definitely, and conservative Bernie haters would do well to remember Warpy Apr 2017 #111

"His turn"?? Are you joking with that? NOBODY is OWED a "turn"! WinkyDink Apr 2017 #97

Let us recognize first and foremost that Clinton won and the election was stolen Orrex Apr 2017 #112

Yes please. bettyellen Apr 2017 #4

Gillibrand and Warren are my favorites, looking for others. I agree, not Clinton, not Sanders RelativelyJones Apr 2017 #6

Warren is too polarizing I suspect Baconator Apr 2017 #22

how is she polarizing? She is one of the few that embraces rurallib Apr 2017 #30

More like we should pick someone with the greatest appeal. Baconator Apr 2017 #34

I haven't picked anyone, but Warren comes across to me rurallib Apr 2017 #38

Warren wasn't the 1st Lady, which will benefit her. The GOP used HRC's status as a former first lady StevieM Apr 2017 #136

Inslee is an interesting name to float rurallib Apr 2017 #153

Left leaning moderate oh my..... kacekwl Apr 2017 #115

Not more polarizing than Hillary Clinton, to the general electorate. alarimer Apr 2017 #33

Hillary got 66 Million Votes More than any other Presidential Cha Apr 2017 #87

Either one will spark a lot of bad feelings after the past primary. Cha Apr 2017 #86

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #8

Nina Turner left the Democratic Party and supported Jill Stein. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #19

Calling people contrived names like "neoliberal" is a phony and stupid R B Garr Apr 2017 #23

Oh yes! jackssonjack Apr 2017 #42

On other hand look at what Jerry has done for California. ucrdem Apr 2017 #10

I love my governor but I don't want to begin 2020 speculation... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #25

I think that will happen almost automatically in 2020. MineralMan Apr 2017 #11

I agree MM...time for fresh faces and fresh ideas. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #18

Cart before horse. How about everyone come up with fresh ideas, then pick a delisen Apr 2017 #63

Yes please. nt sheshe2 Apr 2017 #24

Depends on the face. Needs to match what Hillary Hortensis Apr 2017 #26

I'm looking out for the person who starts talking seriously about automation. JHan Apr 2017 #61

Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell Amaryllis Apr 2017 #28

How about someone NOT a boomer, NOT from the East Coast, and NOT a pot prohibitionist? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #29

Looks good - who the hell is it? rurallib Apr 2017 #32

Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #50

No, thanks. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #62

Perhaps you should see what the voters of California think. By and large they disagree. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #64

Gavin is thinking of running for Governor of California. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #68

Maybe too early. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #75

Kamala Harris is one of the Democratic rising stars. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #77

She is, and so is Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #89

Coumo and O'Malley BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #107

No way in hell, Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #80

Meh. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #88

We also aren't going to win any elections with a "Bro" from San Francisco Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #92

People should not get the west and east coast confused, they arent any more interchangeable Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #94

Wow and to think I got a hide for critiquing the boomer generation BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #106

Newsom has some glaring liabilities Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #117

They all have liabilities BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #118

+1, I hope runs BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Apr 2017 #37

The last time we ran a black guy we won two Electoral College landslides. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #40

Touche jackssonjack Apr 2017 #47

The three candidates who got the most votes ever cast for President dsc Apr 2017 #49

Just endorse Trump. He's a proven winner of sorts and Russia likes him. delisen Apr 2017 #65

Like who? Can you name a single charismatic white guy waiting in the wings ecstatic Apr 2017 #81

No! The only charismatic thing about De Blasio lapucelle Apr 2017 #84

How about we run the person who does the best job leading and inspiring Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #90

Being a fresh face should not be the criteria. LiberalFighter Apr 2017 #41

Fresh face is the new criterion. Only Fresh Faces Need Apply delisen Apr 2017 #58

Michelle Obama jackssonjack Apr 2017 #43

+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Apr 2017 #45

How about Bill nye or Neil DeGrasse Tyson Matthew28 Apr 2017 #44

We're going to need someone very skilled and moonscape Apr 2017 #146

I agree. Initech Apr 2017 #46

"We need someone new and scandal free." LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #91

You know that I'm a strong Bernie supporter but I'd have to agree. NWCorona Apr 2017 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Ccarmona Apr 2017 #54

Just Get the DNC & DCCC Out of the Way Ccarmona Apr 2017 #55

Voters make the choices. lapucelle Apr 2017 #83

The people made their choice in 2016. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #124

Ah so now up is the Tough Love Argument. delisen Apr 2017 #56

I sent e-mails to Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale imploring them to run again. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #59

I heard an interview with Dukakis last week. He was presenting Fresh Ideas delisen Apr 2017 #66

The worst idea from a Democrat is better than the best idea from a Republican. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #67

Can we please get through 2018 first before we start worrying about 2020? GoCubsGo Apr 2017 #69

Ay na ang isang mang-insulto? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #72

Joe mainstreetonce Apr 2017 #70

We don't necessarily need a fresh face, we just need somebody competitive in 40+ states Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #78

Lets worry about 2018 before speculating about 2020 nycbos Apr 2017 #79

Just someone we can all get behind. Orsino Apr 2017 #85

New is not necessarily better. caroldansen Apr 2017 #93

Old is still old, though. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #99

Yes, please. eom MoonRiver Apr 2017 #96

My dream ticket: Seth Moulton (D-MA) and Kirsten Gillebrand (D-NY) smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #105

Sherrod Brown...he is great and unites the party. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #110

Bernie is the most popular politician in the nation. ZX86 Apr 2017 #114

I still don't believe he would win. His best shot was in 2016. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #126

I repeat. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the nation. ZX86 Apr 2017 #133

Those polls are meaningless... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #147

What grassroots counties will Bernie win in the South? He didn't even campaign there! Baclava Apr 2017 #128

Every one of them! ZX86 Apr 2017 #134

I bet you lead a pure life n/t Baclava Apr 2017 #137

Yes we can! ZX86 Apr 2017 #138

Sanders-Perez in 2020? Baclava Apr 2017 #140

Sanders at the top of any ticket. ZX86 Apr 2017 #141

OK - just checking n/t Baclava Apr 2017 #142

I would love to see Tulsi Gabbard run someday. (nt) PotatoChip Apr 2017 #119

I don't know if he qualifies as a "fresh face" but ... Odoreida Apr 2017 #123

I don't want to see Hillary or Bernie run again. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #127

If Bernie ran again and won. ZX86 Apr 2017 #144

I think the both of them had their day and we need new blood. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #148

Don't worry OldSchoolLiberal Apr 2017 #131

If things..... Yorkist Apr 2017 #135

Whoever is the nominee needs to have charisma NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #150

No woman is ever going to be charismatic enough. athena Apr 2017 #155

I agree that it's more associated with men NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #156

In case you missed it, Hillary said 2016 was her last campaign. She will have riversedge Apr 2017 #151

It won't be someone that has ran for prez before. It will be somebody 45-50 years old. tonyt53 Apr 2017 #152

Can we worry about goddamned 2018 FIRST? Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #154