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TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:57 PM Jul 2012

To believe there's no real difference between the two parties, you must be either lying or clueless. [View all]

Sorry, but there's no other realistic way to put it. At a time in history when there's more distance between them than there has been in almost a century, and barely more than a decade after the "no difference" spiel gave us George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, it takes either idiocy or willful self-deception to pretend otherwise.

Let's go back and think about that one for a moment, shall we? Despite the heyday in 2000 of "they're all the same" thanks to Ralph Nader shilling for Bush, is anyone now really willing to claim that Al Gore--"An Inconvenient Truth" Al Gore, Nobel Peace Prize Al Gore, the guy with a 6 page long Wikipedia article about his environmental activism--would have governed exactly the same as George W. Bush and Dick "Oil well" Cheney? The guys who passed an exemption for fracking into the Safe Drinking Water Act? The guys with a hardon for Iraq circa year 2000? The "Mushroom cloud over America" guys?

Can anyone say with a straight face that, well, they weren't the same THEN, but NOW--after a solid decade plus of increasing partisanship, division, and policy disagreements--NOW there's really no difference? Now we're right, even though before we were so completely and massively wrong that it helped derail the entire country, demolish the economy, and set the environment back maybe for decades?

To justify these claims, supporters are literally forced to make up conspiracy theories about Democrats' supposed secret plans to destroy Medicare, or to approve Keystone XL, or extend the war in Iraq, or to avoid repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell. And as each one is proved in turn to be the completely fictional rantings of people strictly intent on bashing Democrats, they rapidly swing around to a new conspiracy theory and never, ever again acknowledge being massively and repeatedly wrong on every previous claim they've made.

And yet some people still have the brass to come here and push a dishonest narrative, built out of lies, half-truths, innuendos, and selective reasoning, and with no real-world reason or justification other than trying to repeat the debacle of 2000 and put another right-wing Republican into the White House.

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I think people respond, many times, out of frustration RainDog Jul 2012 #1
Center-right and hard-right. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #2
+1,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #14
Exactly. Maven Jul 2012 #47
Every Republican I know thinks everyone is as stupid as they are NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #3
The two Parties are closest on Economic Policy. Unfortunately, that's the part of gov't that most Romulox Jul 2012 #4
They aren't close on economic policy at ALL. The Dems have NOTHING resembling the Ryan plan. phleshdef Jul 2012 #36
But on "free trade" with China, or NAFTA, or bailing out banks, or mortgage reform. VERY similar. Romulox Jul 2012 #44
Not all Dems are for the bad free trade bills. phleshdef Jul 2012 #48
Yes, of course RobertEarl Jul 2012 #5
Three Mile Island was much better than Fukushima. hay rick Jul 2012 #13
Oh I think somebody is lying. xchrom Jul 2012 #6
I'd like to see more Democrats stop their support for a capitalistic system... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #7
Additionally, to believe there's *enough* of a difference in the duopoly to "save" us, villager Jul 2012 #8
The same, no, MadHound Jul 2012 #9
WTF? trixie Jul 2012 #51
They are not getting closer.. what rock are you living under?? DCBob Jul 2012 #55
Major disseminators of this are Icke, Jones, Paulites, 911 Truthers and some Occupy. Not Bill Maher: freshwest Jul 2012 #10
"One states the facts, the other comes very close to playing with their own poop." SunSeeker Jul 2012 #31
Bill Maher doesn't really have a "libertarian" bent. phleshdef Jul 2012 #37
True, but he's still known for it. That's the kind of liberal most Democrats are. The kind of ... freshwest Jul 2012 #38
and this OP will draw them out of the woodwork like flies...enjoy.. dionysus Jul 2012 #11
Remember the head of the Lou Dobbs fan club here about ten years ago? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #16
Well, nobody here is to Obama's right. immoderate Jul 2012 #28
I guess I miss your point unless it's to be devisive. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #12
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #25
I settled on clueless whiners Gman Jul 2012 #15
Oh, c'mon Wraith, do you really think there's ANYONE... RevStPatrick Jul 2012 #17
The most ardent anti-globalism people I know drive imported cars NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #18
No. bvar22 Jul 2012 #49
Yep, Fascist right and moderate right. There are no moderate nor certainly any left parties anymore on point Jul 2012 #32
Its easy to paint a false picture and then attack it, when all nuance is thrown out the window quinnox Jul 2012 #19
The difference is that the Republican Party is unified, the Democratic Party is factionalized. joshcryer Jul 2012 #20
Big diff. Mississippi, red state, is about to close the one and only abortion clinic in the state. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #21
+1.000 freshwest Jul 2012 #35
"the "no difference" spiel gave us George W. Bush instead of Al Gore" CleanLucre Jul 2012 #22
Maybe they are Excalbians Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #23
Very True Wraith, lying or clueless sums it up treestar Jul 2012 #24
When Big Pharma wanted to come out with a Marijuana Pill... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #26
Holder busted all of them? All of them?...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #40
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #27
Or hopeful. Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #29
bravo heaven05 Jul 2012 #30
K&R SunSeeker Jul 2012 #33
ho hum, the same old stuff stupidicus Jul 2012 #34
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2012 #39
Hey Sid :) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #41
I agree with Bill Maher: Vote Democratic - "we're lame but the other guys are nuts" Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #42
Can I borrow some straw? Bonobo Jul 2012 #43
Unrec for being so ignorant. n/t Dawgs Jul 2012 #45
"Not as bad" is still not good. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #46
The "Centrist" Party Leadership of the Clinton Administration CREATED Nader. bvar22 Jul 2012 #50
Absolutely true. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #52
Many call themselves Independents. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #53
And the who's who of They're-the-same!1 JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #54
I think those that think that are just impatient.. they want immediate satisfaction. DCBob Jul 2012 #56
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