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In reply to the discussion: It would be nice if the centrists in this party did some introspection, too. [View all]HughBeaumont
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It would be nice if the centrists in this party did some introspection, too. [View all]
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
OP
OK...if I were to say I BELIEVE you and I basically agree, could you accept that?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#20
Yep. ESPECIALLY Jill Stein. NO excuse whatsoever for ANYONE to support that ding-dong.
calimary
Apr 2017
#46
You are correct. All the negative crap.. When in fact Clinton won the popular vote.
LakeArenal
Apr 2017
#37
re: "The result in the fall wasn't entirely the fault of the 'far left'. "
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#43
Are you comparing President Bill Clinton to donald trump in your last paragraph?
George II
Apr 2017
#65
My point is that his active presence in the race gave the Trump campaign the CHANCE
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#69
Despite your prostestations, President Bill Clinton was a huge asset during the campaign...
George II
Apr 2017
#77
re: " There was a great focus on her qualifications, but qualifications were not going to be enough"
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#76
I endorsed her in a thread I started on DU. I've been a registered Dem for years.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#105
I think the platform was plenty progressive. And I am not sure what she could have done, other
StevieM
Apr 2017
#225
Not only did the Clinton campaign put far too much emphasis on negative ads, but they didn't seem to
Midwestern Democrat
Apr 2017
#79
re: "ads did nothing more than say that Donald Trump is personally an awful human being."
thesquanderer
Apr 2017
#81
I heard LOTS of ideas. About women, about jobs, about universal health care coverage, college costs
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#131
so it's dantex that's running around bashing Democrats and embracing Trump voters?
synergie
Apr 2017
#316
"Thankfully it appears to me that our new DNC leadership team has no problem with it."
NCTraveler
Apr 2017
#8
All the Trump voters I know were voting against Someone and Something.Lock her up!
delisen
Apr 2017
#47
"Every faction of this party treating each other with respect." I agree completely.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#27
So you are critiquing supporters of the campaign, but not the campaign itself?
WomenRising2017
Apr 2017
#84
"DNC leaders say Hillary Clinton lost because she talked too much about Trump"
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#41
I accept that HRC won the primaries and I wanted her to win in the fall just as much as you did.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#89
Centrist on what? We were told it's the most liberal platform in party history
IronLionZion
Apr 2017
#33
What policies are going to help win voters in the rural middle of America?
IronLionZion
Apr 2017
#138
That could work but a lot of modern lefists honestly fetishize manufacturing
forjusticethunders
Apr 2017
#322
The key, then, is to make sure that we aren't made to settle for JUST the small victories.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#344
I don't think her strategy was the problem. How did Trump defeat all those Republicans
delisen
Apr 2017
#66
No significant number of people want to turn the party into her or his own personal cult.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#93
We have good leaders coming up the ranks, particularly from the West Coast.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#59
That's the way to say something positive about the party, aka the Democratic Party!
George II
Apr 2017
#73
We just simply care about humanity...air...water...etc., etc., etc.... nt
Heartstrings
Apr 2017
#101
By that logic, if Donald Trump switched to beimg a Democrat you'd be happy.
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#144
Slogans and memes aren't debate, no matter how many times you repeat them.
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#219
Why is it so important to you to equate disagreement with lack of party loyalty?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#254
exactly, and i have said there is a reason they feel the need to always scream about how left,
JI7
Apr 2017
#96
OK...in this case, I'm defining the "centrists" not as people who simply disagree with me
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#103
The conservatives have controlled the message for several decades, it is they not the party who
PoliticalPie
Apr 2017
#88
The only time corporations are running our government is when Republicans are in charge.
betsuni
Apr 2017
#165
What was the origin of NAFTA? Please provide links to prove it was Bill Clinton's idea
betsuni
Apr 2017
#173
It was negotiated before him, and there was no good reason for him to fight for it.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#175
I asked you to give it to me. Why should I believe you that Clinton pushed like hell to do anything?
betsuni
Apr 2017
#189
that is a very very simplified way of looking at things. You have to know this? There is way too
JCanete
Apr 2017
#238
And how do we be inclusive of Christians who voted against the poor, old, kids and etc.
elehhhhna
Apr 2017
#145
While I do appreciate the frustration with the centrism I have an alternative theory:
forjusticethunders
Apr 2017
#323
Could help to explain why there are so many people registered Independent now
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#324
By STUIDITY, many who participated in the Democratic Primaries voted Green in the GE.
Foamfollower
Apr 2017
#228
That's not true either. The negative ads Obama ran against Romney, painting him
DanTex
Apr 2017
#159
The stated intent of the campaign in running the ads was to try to get the apparently mythical
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#281
She barely mentioned the platform in the ads and on the stump only talked about
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#315
Racism played a role with a lot of Trump voters...but that doesn't account for all of them.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#333
nothing would persaude the anti-hillary forces who made it clear seeing trump in the whitehouse was
beachbum bob
Apr 2017
#192
The Dem campaign pros have a sorry history, and we clearly need new ones
Fast Walker 52
Apr 2017
#197
A person can live in the real world without believing that this party HAS to be centrist.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#302
I am disagreeing strongly with your amusing suggestions for remaking the party into sanders image
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#330
Ken your proposals scream that you have no idea as to what is going on in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#345
Your proposals are flawed and cry out that you have not work in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#347
Send Beto your platform-there must be some more unrealistic planks he can used
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#351
It is pretty clear that a lot of people do not recognize what cost HRC the election.
tonyt53
Apr 2017
#206
And addressing working-class voters(it's not about "white working-class" voters,
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#301
Bernie himself is not defending any of the white supremacist aspects in what you said there.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#391
All I can say is that that doesn't represent the perspective of any of the Sanders supporters
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#402
Party unity, not uniformity. Utilitarian Unity. Doing the greatest good for the greatest number.
ancianita
Apr 2017
#212
OP claims need respect but only shames; says introspection "too" - who else has???
Justice
Apr 2017
#227
I spent a lot of the fall trying to persuade people to our left to vote HRC.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#356
When I said I don't defend third-party voting you posted "LOL!" in response.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#367
No, I laughed because you misread post 300 and started defending yourself against an imagined insult
NurseJackie
Apr 2017
#388
So, you did accuse me of lying when I said I don't defend third-party votes.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#392
Exactly. If it couldn't work against Trump, the centrist tactic is dead.
Barack_America
Apr 2017
#284
I acknowledge that the Sanders campaign had failings in its expression on that.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#328
The faction of the party that endorsed Tim Ryan, Heath mello and tulsi
La Lioness Priyanka
Apr 2017
#352
A lot of people are building a cult, far bigger than the tiny amount
La Lioness Priyanka
Apr 2017
#403
The vast majority of those who still support the values of the Sanders campaign
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#404
Stop trying to elect centrists or watch your civil rights bargained away by the Neoliberals
pecosbob
Apr 2017
#377