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23. I'm willing to concede that the NRA is not directly responsible.

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:50 PM

Apr 2017

But their promotion of guns, paranoia among gun owners, and the delusion of "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" have vastly contributed to the problems we have in the number of guns circulating, and the many ways felons can get guns.

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BREAKING UPDATE: Police: Multiple people shot and killed as gunman goes on shooting spree in Fresno [View all] bathroommonkey76 Apr 2017 OP

Not again! herding cats Apr 2017 #1

How many times do we have to say this? NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #106

THANKS, you murder-loving fuckers at NRA! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #2

How is the NRA responsible? Marengo Apr 2017 #3

Gee, I dunno.... Coventina Apr 2017 #6

Thank you! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #9

California has the strictest gun laws in the country already ansible Apr 2017 #10

Clearly, they are not strict enough. Coventina Apr 2017 #11

You'd rather blame gun laws instead of his religion as a motivator for his attack? ansible Apr 2017 #14

Hell no I am not going to blame Islam! There are nearly 2 billion Muslims. Coventina Apr 2017 #18

So Islam is the problem? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #78

What new law would have prevented this? hack89 Apr 2017 #21

Well, Europe seems to be able to keep the rate of gun deaths at a fraction of ours. Coventina Apr 2017 #25

They have a robust social safety net and provide for the health and well being of their citizens hack89 Apr 2017 #29

Wow. So you're saying that only the poor and mentally ill commit gun crimes? Coventina Apr 2017 #31

There is a direct correlation between poverty and violent crime hack89 Apr 2017 #34

That still doesn't explain why non-poor people commit gun crimes, which they do by the thousands. Coventina Apr 2017 #36

I never said that only poor people kill others hack89 Apr 2017 #40

So how do you explain what happend in Australia when they passed strict gun control? Coventina Apr 2017 #43

Their murder rate was really low to start with and was steadily declining for decades before the ban hack89 Apr 2017 #52

Rueters seems to disagree with you: Coventina Apr 2017 #57

A drop of 63 total gun murders? With 35 murders in a single incident in 1996? hack89 Apr 2017 #59

You're the one making the claim that murders were no big deal in Australia Coventina Apr 2017 #68

Research indicates gun buy-backs in the USA are ineffective, collecting small numbers of guns. Marengo Apr 2017 #107

I have better things to do with my time than argue what's obvious. Coventina Apr 2017 #121

In other words you can't refute that fact, and please describe in detail your knowledge of my life. Marengo Apr 2017 #124

And firearms, as well... LanternWaste Apr 2017 #116

There are things we can do regarding gun laws hack89 Apr 2017 #119

Right, let's abolish all laws then since so many get routinely broken. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #12

California has defied the NRA and has passed strict gun control hack89 Apr 2017 #19

I'm willing to concede that the NRA is not directly responsible. Coventina Apr 2017 #23

This guy is a criminal. hack89 Apr 2017 #28

The NRA has been busily at work getting guns de-regulated and resisting making it harder Coventina Apr 2017 #30

Do you understand how the terror watch lists work? hack89 Apr 2017 #32

In what sense is someone on the terrorist watch list a part of a "well-regulated militia?" Coventina Apr 2017 #33

Irrelevant. Heller is the law of the land hack89 Apr 2017 #35

Yes, it is only guns. And, I will not make any apology for that because the 2nd amendment Coventina Apr 2017 #38

Ok. hack89 Apr 2017 #44

Which brings me back to the NRA, which actively spreads paranoia that ANY GUN CONTROL Coventina Apr 2017 #45

So was prohibition and Dred Scott mythology Apr 2017 #47

The point is Heller allows very strict regulation of guns hack89 Apr 2017 #54

Should people suspected of terrorism also be allowed to buy knives and motor vehicles? Marengo Apr 2017 #65

And here we go with the false equivalencies.... Coventina Apr 2017 #67

And yet a Renault truck killed more than the Pulse and San Bernardino shootings combined... Marengo Apr 2017 #72

My point is about guns and the ease of getting them to commit crimes. Coventina Apr 2017 #74

Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had no problem renting the non-weapon that killed 86. Marengo Apr 2017 #77

Yeah, and hijackers flew planes into buildings on 9/11. Coventina Apr 2017 #79

As guns aren't the only things used as weapons by terrorists, shouldn't we also be discussing how Marengo Apr 2017 #104

Background checks for knife purchases? What does a knife designed as a weapon look like? Marengo Apr 2017 #75

Oh please. Why don't you just defend the NRA instead of hiding behind all this? Coventina Apr 2017 #81

You wrote "I would say knives designed as weapons should be disallowed to terrorist suspects." Marengo Apr 2017 #103

Where do you think all of those guns come from? askyagerz Apr 2017 #51

And the funny thing is that gun deaths plummeted hack89 Apr 2017 #55

That has more to do with how we started schooling our society askyagerz Apr 2017 #60

So no direct correlation between number of guns and gun deaths hack89 Apr 2017 #61

A less violent society is goint to have less people willing to commit murder askyagerz Apr 2017 #70

Adding to the horrible and disgusting practices of the NRA is the simple Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #82

Thank you. This thread is unbelievable. Had no idea we had so many NRA fanboys here. Coventina Apr 2017 #85

It makes sense, many in our party are pro gun. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #86

I think there is something weird about being "pro-gun". Guns are designed for killing ONLY. Coventina Apr 2017 #89

Guns are tools that can be used for target practice or for survival. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #90

Your plan sounds reasonable to me, but it would make the NRA and their fans crazy. n/t Coventina Apr 2017 #92

Yes, it would, now I hear the pricks in the WH are coming after Marijuana use Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #94

Can they also be used for self defense? Marengo Apr 2017 #110

No hack89 Apr 2017 #95

And just how many Democrats does the NRA support, as opposed to Republicans? Coventina Apr 2017 #97

Doesn't matter hack89 Apr 2017 #99

I am sorry that your life is so full of fear that you need so many deadly weapons. Coventina Apr 2017 #122

I don't own guns for self protection. I live in a very safe town hack89 Apr 2017 #123

Not according to the Democratic party platform hack89 Apr 2017 #91

When and where in the US has militia membership been a prerequisite for the possession of Marengo Apr 2017 #109

You do realize California has the following.. Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #37

Please see my posts #25 & #30 Coventina Apr 2017 #41

Funny how other countries don't have the same problem mythology Apr 2017 #53

Where did the weapons used in the Charlie Hebdo and Paris attacks originate? Marengo Apr 2017 #62

Two things Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #114

What "reasonable" gun law, and what "safety features" could have prevented this shooting? Marengo Apr 2017 #64

Guns that only fire when handled by the registered, legal owner. Coventina Apr 2017 #69

Wrong hack89 Apr 2017 #93

I took the question by the other poster as a theoretical. Coventina Apr 2017 #96

If you want to do something in your life time hack89 Apr 2017 #98

Where are these available for sale to the general public? What of the several hundred million guns.. Marengo Apr 2017 #102

Don't focus on the fact that this is a Hate Crime. MicaelS Apr 2017 #71

*sigh* As I've said a few times in this thread: Coventina Apr 2017 #73

He also shouted "Allahu Akbar". Using your logic, that would mean that Islam was just as much of an jcmaine72 Apr 2017 #76

*bzzzt* Wrong. The NRA is an organization promoting the proliferation of deadly weapons. Coventina Apr 2017 #84

Yes melman Apr 2017 #112

Absolutely correct in all respects. n/t MicaelS Apr 2017 #113

It's unlikely he was legally in possession of it! See this article Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #105

Come on now! Calculating Apr 2017 #20

American gun rampages occur much more frequently than the car rampages in europe maxsolomon Apr 2017 #50

You can't be serious! VOX Apr 2017 #111

Blame the NRA! calendargirl Apr 2017 #117

"How is the NRA responsible?".... You've got to be kidding... Jack-o-Lantern Apr 2017 #4

See my post above Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #42

Blaming the NRA is shorthand for blaming Gun Culture maxsolomon Apr 2017 #48

I thought Gun Culture white, RW racists hack89 Apr 2017 #56

AA criminals smacks of racism HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #100

Convicted felons have no need for guns hack89 Apr 2017 #101

... shenmue Apr 2017 #5

Oh, crap! Not again! MineralMan Apr 2017 #7

Reports coming in he yelled "allah akhbar" B2G Apr 2017 #8

His FB page is still up as of now Lurks Often Apr 2017 #22

Isn't this LBN-worthy? randome Apr 2017 #13

I'm sure someone will post in LBN soon. n/t bathroommonkey76 Apr 2017 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Lurks Often Apr 2017 #26

He targeted white people LittleBlue Apr 2017 #15

You're correct. bathroommonkey76 Apr 2017 #27

I have friends and family there pfitz59 Apr 2017 #16

Geez....lots of extended family in Fresno area sdfernando Apr 2017 #24

Trump will be all over this. Chipper Chat Apr 2017 #39

ShotSpotter technology was employed Brother Buzz Apr 2017 #46

I have seen the results in person HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #88

Does Anyone Know If This Technology Is Used In Chicago?..... global1 Apr 2017 #115

Yes, and it looks like they just installed it this year Brother Buzz Apr 2017 #125

That's Good News - Hope It Helps......nt global1 Apr 2017 #126

And yet white right wing terrorists again unnoticed by media Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #49

Are you shitting me? hack89 Apr 2017 #58

I've no idea what you are talking about. Google what? Are you telling me that these Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #63

To be fair, TexasTowelie Apr 2017 #87

Yes I know locally it's being discussed. My point is on a national level Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #108

Ugh. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #66

We have a mental health crisis in this nation. jcmaine72 Apr 2017 #80

Between this and the Berkley protest, California needs to calm down HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #83

This is a depressing thread for 2 reasons. randome Apr 2017 #118

Now that more info is out, the motivations of the attacker raise questions uncomfortable to some Amishman Apr 2017 #120

Yes, the shooting does not fit into DU's accepted narrative, Lurks Often Apr 2017 #127

Exactly. MicaelS Apr 2017 #128