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ProSense

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35. Well,

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:02 PM

Dec 2011

But seriously, for me this isn't about Obama.

It's about speaking out against a policy that is un-American and should be repudiated by anyone who values the principles of a free society based on individual rights.

Obama isn't the author of this thing. As far as I can tell, he might even have taken a small symbolic step towards mitigating the damage.

And if you've been paying attention to me, you know that I'm hugely supportive of the ACA, the President's stimulus efforts, the payroll tax cut, and even the dreaded Wall Street bailouts.

But this is about the slide I think this country has been on towards a police-state for the last ten years. And it isn't okay because someone else did it too.

...the point is that some people have used their platforms to disingenuously portray this as solely Obama's doing. I mean, the hyperbole runs from "Obama is going to shred the Constitution" to "never before has a U.S. President attacked the Constitutional rights of Americans."

And the basis for this is ENDA, which does no such thing. In fact, the debate shifted from the claim that it authorizes a situation similar to the this from the OP, "indefinite detention of US citizens by the military inside the US - without a trial," to conceding that while that's not the case, it does nothing to change an ambiguous existing law, but to codify it.

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Vote Against FDR in '44 [View all] ProSense Dec 2011 OP

They didn't use steroids in the 1940s. Not even any "steriods." leveymg Dec 2011 #1

Well ProSense Dec 2011 #3

There may have been instances where US Citizens were killed by US forces as enemycombatants in WWII, leveymg Dec 2011 #6

What ProSense Dec 2011 #7

I'm making a larger point about how the GWOT is dissimiliar to the methods used by the US in WWII leveymg Dec 2011 #9

That ProSense Dec 2011 #13

Yes, Obama's authorized extrajudicial executions. A number of them. That's a major dissimilarity. leveymg Dec 2011 #14

Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #16

None of the US Citizens targeted recently had "taken up arms" leveymg Dec 2011 #37

So ProSense Dec 2011 #40

They weren't combatants, but they were assassinated. leveymg Dec 2011 #42

You don't "get" satire, do you? Bucky Dec 2011 #33

You don't "get" sarcasm, do you? leveymg Dec 2011 #43

My thought exactly> Survivoreesta Dec 2011 #53

Presidential Nostalgia treestar Dec 2011 #2

A fifth-term FDR would be more effective than a second-term Obama MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #4

Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #5

If Republicans can animate a block of marble like Mitt Romney, we can zombify FDR. Bucky Dec 2011 #34

How true. MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #39

I think The Onion beat you to that thought Ken Burch Jan 2012 #62

I love it! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #8

I think any comparisons between FDR and Obama are sorely misguided quinnox Dec 2011 #10

No doubt. MineralMan Dec 2011 #11

But this really was an abomination. dawg Dec 2011 #12

That's ProSense Dec 2011 #15

Oh wait ... dawg Dec 2011 #23

Survey finds FDR best president Zorra Dec 2011 #17

Obama ProSense Dec 2011 #20

Historians rate Presidents long after a President's term(s). bluestate10 Dec 2011 #21

FDR opened the doors to kill labor. joshcryer Dec 2011 #18

The only joke in this thread is daring to compare Obama to FDR. Edweird Dec 2011 #19

You're right. FDR had vast majorities in Congress. Obama has had to fight much harder for everything MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #32

Obama had significant majorities as well until he pissed them away. Edweird Dec 2011 #38

The was never an actual functioning majority in the Senate, and that made all the difference. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #41

Didn't seem to stop Bush from pursuing his actual agenda with vigor... JackRiddler Dec 2011 #47

Excuses. Edweird Dec 2011 #49

Fact. You want FDR, you need FDR's circumstances. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #51

You mean the one that planned a coup? Edweird Jan 2012 #55

You're wrong. FDR had his way with Congress. There were no Filibusters. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #56

Yep. "I welcome their hatred" vs 'bipartisan'. Edweird Jan 2012 #58

Can you give one example of a Filibuster FDR had to overcome? MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #59

Can you provide an example of a corporate/military coup Obama overcame? Edweird Jan 2012 #60

1942: President Roosevelt signs Executive Order 9066. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #22

Woah, their celebrating Japanese Internment Camps on Kos now? napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #24

It's the funniest piece of satire since "An American Carol". dawg Dec 2011 #26

It's ProSense Dec 2011 #27

Okay okay okay - have it your way. dawg Dec 2011 #28

But seriously, for me this isn't about Obama. dawg Dec 2011 #30

Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #35

I get the point that Obama shouldn't be singled-out on this issue ... dawg Dec 2011 #36

Obama is not the first president to enact health care reform. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #45

Actually ProSense Dec 2011 #50

Brilliant stuff! JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #25

That's funny. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #29

He did dump that left wing Henry Wallace in '44 for that moderate Harry Truman!! WI_DEM Dec 2011 #31

so if Obama put all Muslims in concentration camps Enrique Dec 2011 #44

Logic isn't going to get you anywhere with someone who'd use this "argument." JackRiddler Dec 2011 #46

Has ProSense Dec 2011 #48

K&R. Awesome post...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #52

I love good satire also hootinholler Dec 2011 #54

I love good satire too. Where is some? nt Union Scribe Jan 2012 #57

Quite disjointed in thought and not funny in these difficult times. mmonk Jan 2012 #61

He's probably trying to make a comparison between the Japanese interment Ken Burch Jan 2012 #64

Still, it's silly to compare Obama after one term to all that FDR had done after three. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #63