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92. Not fantasy.

Reply to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:22 AM

Apr 2017

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Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat [View all] RandySF Apr 2017 OP

Unfortunately, because of what happened in the primary/general Perez, Schumer KittyWampus Apr 2017 #1

one of the last bit of criticisms he dropped got traction on my fb feed. JHan Apr 2017 #10

I know.. complain complain complain about nothing.. and Cha Apr 2017 #15

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #77

The m$m/hayes always pushes that crap.. Cha Apr 2017 #82

"Perez promoting Bernie"?? disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #160

+1000, they have to follow him for damage control. R B Garr Apr 2017 #35

I can't wait until a strong Democrat emerges as Cha Apr 2017 #94

I'm done with posers tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #171

Agreed! It is offensive and counter-productive how he is still splintering Democrats R B Garr Apr 2017 #191

So limited.. so divisive and counter productive.. Cha Apr 2017 #202

No help with the Thompson or Ossoff race, but a lot of criticism. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #133

Thanks Sanders ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #2

I dont consider him a Democrat either. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #3

Same here ATL Ebony Apr 2017 #17

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #21

Neither did +4 million of us. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #25

Exactly, he was destroyed in Dem areas all across the country. radius777 Apr 2017 #139

+1,000,000 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #172

Same. nt Maven Apr 2017 #109

I take him at his word. Not a Democrat. yardwork Apr 2017 #129

Nor do I. If he were or wanted to be, I'd expect him to say so. calimary Apr 2017 #203

This Txbluedog Apr 2017 #4

He isn't a Democrat Expecting Rain Apr 2017 #5

They have to bring Bernie along. He's a potential wedge for Republicans & Putin... KittyWampus Apr 2017 #7

Put Up With Is Right Me. Apr 2017 #9

no it is not the wrong path. Are you kidding me? What exactly is the right path? Promising to JCanete Apr 2017 #72

Pardon the British cartoon... Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #88

wow JHan Apr 2017 #148

Is that from The Torygraph? n/t QC Apr 2017 #152

Ah, it's from a different right wing rag, The Spectator. QC Apr 2017 #193

Is it wrong? Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #194

I think so, but I'm not The Spectator's intended audience. n/t QC Apr 2017 #197

Lets revisit this after the election Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #198

Of course you do. n/t QC Apr 2017 #199

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #114

if there are so many independents why doesn't he radius777 Apr 2017 #6

Yes, that has been confirmed that only 10% of "independent" voters are politically unaligned. seaglass Apr 2017 #105

Exactly. Sanders claims to represent people he does not. Hortensis Apr 2017 #106

He needs to keep saying that.. JHan Apr 2017 #158

excellent point. Sanders is Ron Paul of the left radius777 Apr 2017 #164

that's a great way of putting it.. JHan Apr 2017 #166

Because they won't be able to raise the funds necessary... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #173

Once & For All Me. Apr 2017 #8

++++ nt brer cat Apr 2017 #12

Our door has always been open for anyone who believes in the core principles of our party, demosincebirth Apr 2017 #37

Exactly, demosincebirth. Cha Apr 2017 #38

I agree with this tweet fun n serious Apr 2017 #11

Yeah.. it's sickening. Cha Apr 2017 #14

+infinity sheshe2 Apr 2017 #19

Imagine if she allowed her supporters to cultivate a narrative that she only lost because the system StevieM Apr 2017 #22

This is exactly right. There's a reason a con man like R B Garr Apr 2017 #34

If Elizabeth Warren had lost by 4 million votes and said this I would have been 100% behind her Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #27

Why do you suppose the right is silent on Sanders? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #100

Any other Most popular politician would get totally smeared. fun n serious Apr 2017 #116

Sanders speaking engagements serve the republican objective SticksnStones Apr 2017 #120

He gets smeared enough by Libertarian Party types and AnCaps. HughBeaumont Apr 2017 #119

The fact that 45 hasn't given him a nickname speaks volumes, I believe SticksnStones Apr 2017 #121

He hasn't insulted him either NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #169

Quixote, Warren and Sanders are of VERY different Hortensis Apr 2017 #128

yes, Warren is progressive-left Dem and Sanders is alt-left Indy, radius777 Apr 2017 #156

The Democratic Party got 3 Million more Votes than asshole.. Cha Apr 2017 #30

it is a total bullshit tweet. What demands? He still has a voice that is being listened to because JCanete Apr 2017 #79

Imagine her complaining that the opponent stole Hortensis Apr 2017 #110

Exactly treestar Apr 2017 #147

Misogyny is real my friends... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #174

The Door is OPEN, BS. Guess he's not paying attention Cha Apr 2017 #13

i agree. he didn't help Hillary. That is one reason she lost the election. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #18

To be fair to Bernie, who I am not exactly happy with at the moment, the FBI and James Comey were StevieM Apr 2017 #24

There were all kinds of reasons but I know exactly Cha Apr 2017 #26

It wasn't my intention to suggest that Trueblue wasn't being fair. StevieM Apr 2017 #28

Comey slaughterd Hillery. It was horrible. I call his actions traitorous. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #40

Exactly. How is allowing an Independent to run in the Democratic primary athena Apr 2017 #187

Yeah, he acts like that didn't happen.. he has Cha Apr 2017 #200

I think he's making us look like fools. Demit Apr 2017 #16

i think Sanders is telling people to STAY AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS. Democrats aren't good enough. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #20

You can't be made to look like a fool floppyboo Apr 2017 #32

I'll keep my anger focused on the right object, thanks. Demit Apr 2017 #45

Of course you can be made to look like a fool. lapucelle Apr 2017 #204

No, it's not us who look like the fool.. We're Strong Democrats Cha Apr 2017 #36

Oh dear. I've upset you. floppyboo Apr 2017 #42

Who are you? Cha Apr 2017 #43

Well that's fine, Cha, but it's Sanders who's getting the media attention. Demit Apr 2017 #49

I know, Demit.. the m$m needs the sniping Cha Apr 2017 #51

I don't feel like a fool. As a democrat, these are things I think need to be said. As a democrat, JCanete Apr 2017 #74

well stated...n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2017 #93

Gotta agree, Demit SticksnStones Apr 2017 #101

We got that loud and clear Bernie. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #23

... C Moon Apr 2017 #29

Great I'm not a populist so now what? N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #31

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #33

They inherited the money they used to buy the house. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #39

That elitist comment might have been because of Sanders' R B Garr Apr 2017 #44

It's only a smear if it's untrue. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #46

It's a smear.. sarandon is the fucking "elitist" Cha Apr 2017 #47

Yes, there will always be privileged elite. They shouldn't lead political parties. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #50

What if that wealth elite has a long more policy wonk than anyone else? fun n serious Apr 2017 #52

I'm not speaking about the efficacy of Sanders' proposed policies. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #56

Oh. Well I am as left as you can get without being a complete socialist fun n serious Apr 2017 #83

of course he did, the GOP establishment, radius777 Apr 2017 #131

I ignore the hell out of him insulting my Democratic Party Cha Apr 2017 #53

It's not YOUR party. It's a party to which many belong. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #54

It's my party and everyone else's who is in it. Cha Apr 2017 #55

A lot of Democrats, myself included, voted for Sanders in the primaries. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #57

Yeah, your threats aren't really working on me. Cha Apr 2017 #58

It's a warning, not a threat. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #59

You mean he used perceived anger? fun n serious Apr 2017 #86

Their small stature was made up in their strategic importance. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #90

In the rust belt fun n serious Apr 2017 #95

+1 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #175

Mahalo, tallahasseedem! Cha Apr 2017 #177

Love ya Cha... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #178

Love you back! Cha Apr 2017 #179

Then you shouldn't get defensive when people call him elite. R B Garr Apr 2017 #189

BS called our whole Democratic Party "elitist".. it's a rw smear on the Cha Apr 2017 #48

No he didn't melman Apr 2017 #63

Yes BS did and sarandon is the fucking elitist. Cha Apr 2017 #64

Exactly, Cha, and in his most recent diatribe against Democrats, he names specific coastal R B Garr Apr 2017 #190

So Divisive.. wth is he trying to do? Cha Apr 2017 #201

150K was from the inheritance. The rest was Sanders book advance and savings. Jane seaglass Apr 2017 #107

Ooops! Thaniks for shining the Light on that, Cha Apr 2017 #162

Doncha love the golden parachute she received tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #180

There are so many independents it's incredible! ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #41

Excellent point, ProudLib! Cha Apr 2017 #62

Its not up to him what the Democratic party members do. It's always been bullshit that he is JCanete Apr 2017 #67

Bye Felicia. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #60

I had to look that up.. perfect. Cha Apr 2017 #61

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #65

No, many of us being perfectly happy to give him the gas. That's the way it worked. We know JCanete Apr 2017 #69

So Sanders considers himself an independent, and wants the Democratic party to succeed. Is there a JCanete Apr 2017 #66

People can't get past the primaries... Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #117

Bingo. n/t QC Apr 2017 #168

I never want to hear from this man again. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #68

I find your arrogance remarkable. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #70

emphasis on "party voters" Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #71

Millions of Democrats voted for him. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #73

I really don't care about progressives anymore Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #75

Are you making the claim that the Democratic party is not progressive? JCanete Apr 2017 #76

Democrats will never win another election without progressives. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #78

Groovy, help Jill Stein break two million votes in 2020. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #81

I will support whoever is the most progressive candidate in the Democratic primaries. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #84

The 2016 election strongly suggests a "more progressive philosophy" Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #85

Bernie Sanders' voting record makes him more of a Democrat than most (D)s. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #87

That is fantasy Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #89

Not fantasy. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #92

Clinton also led Trump by a large margin most of June. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #97

Would not take long at all for repukes to destroy standingtall Apr 2017 #99

That GOP dossier according to Repub insiders Chevy Apr 2017 #205

Is your position that "millions" won't vote Democratic BainsBane Apr 2017 #142

The cult of personality will eventually kill us all. n/t jrthin Apr 2017 #185

BS said the Democratic Party needed to be Open Cha Apr 2017 #80

This is an unfortunate remark. Until Democrats vote party consistently, we won't win. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91

It's OK, Bernie! RandiFan1290 Apr 2017 #96

No shite.. no Democratic Senator would go around Cha Apr 2017 #98

Maybe he should look in the mirror... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #176

Oh, look. It's a bash Bernie and feel better about yourself thread... ms liberty Apr 2017 #102

Did it make BS "feel good" when he bashed the Democratic Party with insults Cha Apr 2017 #103

The 'bashing' here is courtesy of Bernie Maven Apr 2017 #115

Quoting Bernie BainsBane Apr 2017 #126

discussing the words he used, and the implications , are also bashing. Incredible eh? JHan Apr 2017 #157

It would be stunning BainsBane Apr 2017 #161

Ever notice that whenever things are going especially badly for Trump, QC Apr 2017 #135

For the people that still think of the Democratic Party as a civic club DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #104

Didn't Sanders, the other day, say that voter turnout hit a 20-year low in 2016? betsuni Apr 2017 #108

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout Cha Apr 2017 #123

I was invited over to a friend's house MyNameGoesHere Apr 2017 #111

Suggesting how they decorate their house retrowire Apr 2017 #118

Um, it's considered bad taste to be a guest in someone's house and tell them to redecorate. randome Apr 2017 #141

I've had friends and family make suggestions retrowire Apr 2017 #144

Friends and family are different. Sanders wants to remain clear of any such 'entanglements'. randome Apr 2017 #146

There in lies the difference retrowire Apr 2017 #150

But you are caught up in the hero worship, which is at least as unpleasant. randome Apr 2017 #154

Not really, you're making a lot of assumptions there. Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #155

Quoting someone's words is not dramatic. betsuni Apr 2017 #143

Huh? retrowire Apr 2017 #145

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #127

End this "unity" tour and stop giving this man a platform to undermine our party. Maven Apr 2017 #112

Tom Perez and Keith Elllison should be doing Cha Apr 2017 #125

A man with conviction retrowire Apr 2017 #113

Neither do I. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #122

Sanders is a progressive sharedvalues Apr 2017 #124

Whatever he is he needs to start Stop Getting It Wrong.. Cha Apr 2017 #130

It isn't a big tent BainsBane Apr 2017 #134

"a key goal of Russia's media interventions in 2016 was to make Democrats hate Bernie" betsuni Apr 2017 #136

Thank you Bernie Sanders for all that you do to help Democrats and the party. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #132

While I never loved or hated him during the election GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #137

I think he has a place in our politics but not as our presidential nominee. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #138

I don't consider you one, either. randome Apr 2017 #140

Not gonna criticize him for this Dem2 Apr 2017 #149

Then can we stop making him a headline here? LisaM Apr 2017 #151

Our door wasn't open to independents before? Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #153

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout, too.. Cha Apr 2017 #159

Good! It shows the Dems are a big tent and welcome Indies Arazi Apr 2017 #163

I still can't forget something Sanders said last year that shocked me, it was so ... betsuni Apr 2017 #165

I have read the responses to your thread and see it very differently than many here. Perez BeckyDem Apr 2017 #167

Good... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #170

The fact that Sanders is willing to state this says a great deal Gothmog Apr 2017 #181

DNC rolls out new jobs for top brass, including Keith Ellison's newly created position BeckyDem Apr 2017 #182

the man is free heaven05 Apr 2017 #183

Anyone who ignores independents is an idiot Bradical79 Apr 2017 #184

I don't consider him one either. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #186

Well that makes two of us, Senator Self-Righteous Gadfly.... Hekate Apr 2017 #188

I'd accept pursuing woke progressive independents only. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #192

Honestly I don't care what party he identifies with Luciferous Apr 2017 #195

Has Sanders agreed to support Ossoff yet? Gothmog Apr 2017 #196