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radius777

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156. yes, Warren is progressive-left Dem and Sanders is alt-left Indy,

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 09:38 AM

Apr 2017

and those are very different things. The alt-left is economically hard left and socially libertarian or conservative, and many are sympathetic to the alt-right.

The Dem party on balance has always been a center-left party with room for a progressive left wing, but one that understands (like FDR did) that the Dem party isn't a Marxist party, but a Keynesian one that seeks to "save capitalism from itself", i.e. strike a balance between business and the middle/working classes who depend (jobs, products, services, etc) on it.

The Clintons/Obamas never tried to primary out left-wingers.

Clintonism's core belief, in it's desire to build a national party (which fell apart during the 70's and 80's) was one should run however the area would support, and that it is better to have moderate Dems elected in purple or red areas than far-right Repubs.

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Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat [View all] RandySF Apr 2017 OP

Unfortunately, because of what happened in the primary/general Perez, Schumer KittyWampus Apr 2017 #1

one of the last bit of criticisms he dropped got traction on my fb feed. JHan Apr 2017 #10

I know.. complain complain complain about nothing.. and Cha Apr 2017 #15

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #77

The m$m/hayes always pushes that crap.. Cha Apr 2017 #82

"Perez promoting Bernie"?? disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #160

+1000, they have to follow him for damage control. R B Garr Apr 2017 #35

I can't wait until a strong Democrat emerges as Cha Apr 2017 #94

I'm done with posers tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #171

Agreed! It is offensive and counter-productive how he is still splintering Democrats R B Garr Apr 2017 #191

So limited.. so divisive and counter productive.. Cha Apr 2017 #202

No help with the Thompson or Ossoff race, but a lot of criticism. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #133

Thanks Sanders ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #2

I dont consider him a Democrat either. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #3

Same here ATL Ebony Apr 2017 #17

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #21

Neither did +4 million of us. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #25

Exactly, he was destroyed in Dem areas all across the country. radius777 Apr 2017 #139

+1,000,000 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #172

Same. nt Maven Apr 2017 #109

I take him at his word. Not a Democrat. yardwork Apr 2017 #129

Nor do I. If he were or wanted to be, I'd expect him to say so. calimary Apr 2017 #203

This Txbluedog Apr 2017 #4

He isn't a Democrat Expecting Rain Apr 2017 #5

They have to bring Bernie along. He's a potential wedge for Republicans & Putin... KittyWampus Apr 2017 #7

Put Up With Is Right Me. Apr 2017 #9

no it is not the wrong path. Are you kidding me? What exactly is the right path? Promising to JCanete Apr 2017 #72

Pardon the British cartoon... Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #88

wow JHan Apr 2017 #148

Is that from The Torygraph? n/t QC Apr 2017 #152

Ah, it's from a different right wing rag, The Spectator. QC Apr 2017 #193

Is it wrong? Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #194

I think so, but I'm not The Spectator's intended audience. n/t QC Apr 2017 #197

Lets revisit this after the election Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #198

Of course you do. n/t QC Apr 2017 #199

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #114

if there are so many independents why doesn't he radius777 Apr 2017 #6

Yes, that has been confirmed that only 10% of "independent" voters are politically unaligned. seaglass Apr 2017 #105

Exactly. Sanders claims to represent people he does not. Hortensis Apr 2017 #106

He needs to keep saying that.. JHan Apr 2017 #158

excellent point. Sanders is Ron Paul of the left radius777 Apr 2017 #164

that's a great way of putting it.. JHan Apr 2017 #166

Because they won't be able to raise the funds necessary... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #173

Once & For All Me. Apr 2017 #8

++++ nt brer cat Apr 2017 #12

Our door has always been open for anyone who believes in the core principles of our party, demosincebirth Apr 2017 #37

Exactly, demosincebirth. Cha Apr 2017 #38

I agree with this tweet fun n serious Apr 2017 #11

Yeah.. it's sickening. Cha Apr 2017 #14

+infinity sheshe2 Apr 2017 #19

Imagine if she allowed her supporters to cultivate a narrative that she only lost because the system StevieM Apr 2017 #22

This is exactly right. There's a reason a con man like R B Garr Apr 2017 #34

If Elizabeth Warren had lost by 4 million votes and said this I would have been 100% behind her Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #27

Why do you suppose the right is silent on Sanders? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #100

Any other Most popular politician would get totally smeared. fun n serious Apr 2017 #116

Sanders speaking engagements serve the republican objective SticksnStones Apr 2017 #120

He gets smeared enough by Libertarian Party types and AnCaps. HughBeaumont Apr 2017 #119

The fact that 45 hasn't given him a nickname speaks volumes, I believe SticksnStones Apr 2017 #121

He hasn't insulted him either NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #169

Quixote, Warren and Sanders are of VERY different Hortensis Apr 2017 #128

yes, Warren is progressive-left Dem and Sanders is alt-left Indy, radius777 Apr 2017 #156

The Democratic Party got 3 Million more Votes than asshole.. Cha Apr 2017 #30

it is a total bullshit tweet. What demands? He still has a voice that is being listened to because JCanete Apr 2017 #79

Imagine her complaining that the opponent stole Hortensis Apr 2017 #110

Exactly treestar Apr 2017 #147

Misogyny is real my friends... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #174

The Door is OPEN, BS. Guess he's not paying attention Cha Apr 2017 #13

i agree. he didn't help Hillary. That is one reason she lost the election. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #18

To be fair to Bernie, who I am not exactly happy with at the moment, the FBI and James Comey were StevieM Apr 2017 #24

There were all kinds of reasons but I know exactly Cha Apr 2017 #26

It wasn't my intention to suggest that Trueblue wasn't being fair. StevieM Apr 2017 #28

Comey slaughterd Hillery. It was horrible. I call his actions traitorous. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #40

Exactly. How is allowing an Independent to run in the Democratic primary athena Apr 2017 #187

Yeah, he acts like that didn't happen.. he has Cha Apr 2017 #200

I think he's making us look like fools. Demit Apr 2017 #16

i think Sanders is telling people to STAY AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS. Democrats aren't good enough. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #20

You can't be made to look like a fool floppyboo Apr 2017 #32

I'll keep my anger focused on the right object, thanks. Demit Apr 2017 #45

Of course you can be made to look like a fool. lapucelle Apr 2017 #204

No, it's not us who look like the fool.. We're Strong Democrats Cha Apr 2017 #36

Oh dear. I've upset you. floppyboo Apr 2017 #42

Who are you? Cha Apr 2017 #43

Well that's fine, Cha, but it's Sanders who's getting the media attention. Demit Apr 2017 #49

I know, Demit.. the m$m needs the sniping Cha Apr 2017 #51

I don't feel like a fool. As a democrat, these are things I think need to be said. As a democrat, JCanete Apr 2017 #74

well stated...n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2017 #93

Gotta agree, Demit SticksnStones Apr 2017 #101

We got that loud and clear Bernie. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #23

... C Moon Apr 2017 #29

Great I'm not a populist so now what? N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #31

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #33

They inherited the money they used to buy the house. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #39

That elitist comment might have been because of Sanders' R B Garr Apr 2017 #44

It's only a smear if it's untrue. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #46

It's a smear.. sarandon is the fucking "elitist" Cha Apr 2017 #47

Yes, there will always be privileged elite. They shouldn't lead political parties. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #50

What if that wealth elite has a long more policy wonk than anyone else? fun n serious Apr 2017 #52

I'm not speaking about the efficacy of Sanders' proposed policies. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #56

Oh. Well I am as left as you can get without being a complete socialist fun n serious Apr 2017 #83

of course he did, the GOP establishment, radius777 Apr 2017 #131

I ignore the hell out of him insulting my Democratic Party Cha Apr 2017 #53

It's not YOUR party. It's a party to which many belong. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #54

It's my party and everyone else's who is in it. Cha Apr 2017 #55

A lot of Democrats, myself included, voted for Sanders in the primaries. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #57

Yeah, your threats aren't really working on me. Cha Apr 2017 #58

It's a warning, not a threat. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #59

You mean he used perceived anger? fun n serious Apr 2017 #86

Their small stature was made up in their strategic importance. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #90

In the rust belt fun n serious Apr 2017 #95

+1 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #175

Mahalo, tallahasseedem! Cha Apr 2017 #177

Love ya Cha... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #178

Love you back! Cha Apr 2017 #179

Then you shouldn't get defensive when people call him elite. R B Garr Apr 2017 #189

BS called our whole Democratic Party "elitist".. it's a rw smear on the Cha Apr 2017 #48

No he didn't melman Apr 2017 #63

Yes BS did and sarandon is the fucking elitist. Cha Apr 2017 #64

Exactly, Cha, and in his most recent diatribe against Democrats, he names specific coastal R B Garr Apr 2017 #190

So Divisive.. wth is he trying to do? Cha Apr 2017 #201

150K was from the inheritance. The rest was Sanders book advance and savings. Jane seaglass Apr 2017 #107

Ooops! Thaniks for shining the Light on that, Cha Apr 2017 #162

Doncha love the golden parachute she received tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #180

There are so many independents it's incredible! ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #41

Excellent point, ProudLib! Cha Apr 2017 #62

Its not up to him what the Democratic party members do. It's always been bullshit that he is JCanete Apr 2017 #67

Bye Felicia. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #60

I had to look that up.. perfect. Cha Apr 2017 #61

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #65

No, many of us being perfectly happy to give him the gas. That's the way it worked. We know JCanete Apr 2017 #69

So Sanders considers himself an independent, and wants the Democratic party to succeed. Is there a JCanete Apr 2017 #66

People can't get past the primaries... Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #117

Bingo. n/t QC Apr 2017 #168

I never want to hear from this man again. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #68

I find your arrogance remarkable. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #70

emphasis on "party voters" Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #71

Millions of Democrats voted for him. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #73

I really don't care about progressives anymore Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #75

Are you making the claim that the Democratic party is not progressive? JCanete Apr 2017 #76

Democrats will never win another election without progressives. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #78

Groovy, help Jill Stein break two million votes in 2020. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #81

I will support whoever is the most progressive candidate in the Democratic primaries. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #84

The 2016 election strongly suggests a "more progressive philosophy" Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #85

Bernie Sanders' voting record makes him more of a Democrat than most (D)s. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #87

That is fantasy Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #89

Not fantasy. Gravitycollapse Apr 2017 #92

Clinton also led Trump by a large margin most of June. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #97

Would not take long at all for repukes to destroy standingtall Apr 2017 #99

That GOP dossier according to Repub insiders Chevy Apr 2017 #205

Is your position that "millions" won't vote Democratic BainsBane Apr 2017 #142

The cult of personality will eventually kill us all. n/t jrthin Apr 2017 #185

BS said the Democratic Party needed to be Open Cha Apr 2017 #80

This is an unfortunate remark. Until Democrats vote party consistently, we won't win. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91

It's OK, Bernie! RandiFan1290 Apr 2017 #96

No shite.. no Democratic Senator would go around Cha Apr 2017 #98

Maybe he should look in the mirror... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #176

Oh, look. It's a bash Bernie and feel better about yourself thread... ms liberty Apr 2017 #102

Did it make BS "feel good" when he bashed the Democratic Party with insults Cha Apr 2017 #103

The 'bashing' here is courtesy of Bernie Maven Apr 2017 #115

Quoting Bernie BainsBane Apr 2017 #126

discussing the words he used, and the implications , are also bashing. Incredible eh? JHan Apr 2017 #157

It would be stunning BainsBane Apr 2017 #161

Ever notice that whenever things are going especially badly for Trump, QC Apr 2017 #135

For the people that still think of the Democratic Party as a civic club DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #104

Didn't Sanders, the other day, say that voter turnout hit a 20-year low in 2016? betsuni Apr 2017 #108

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout Cha Apr 2017 #123

I was invited over to a friend's house MyNameGoesHere Apr 2017 #111

Suggesting how they decorate their house retrowire Apr 2017 #118

Um, it's considered bad taste to be a guest in someone's house and tell them to redecorate. randome Apr 2017 #141

I've had friends and family make suggestions retrowire Apr 2017 #144

Friends and family are different. Sanders wants to remain clear of any such 'entanglements'. randome Apr 2017 #146

There in lies the difference retrowire Apr 2017 #150

But you are caught up in the hero worship, which is at least as unpleasant. randome Apr 2017 #154

Not really, you're making a lot of assumptions there. Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #155

Quoting someone's words is not dramatic. betsuni Apr 2017 #143

Huh? retrowire Apr 2017 #145

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #127

End this "unity" tour and stop giving this man a platform to undermine our party. Maven Apr 2017 #112

Tom Perez and Keith Elllison should be doing Cha Apr 2017 #125

A man with conviction retrowire Apr 2017 #113

Neither do I. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #122

Sanders is a progressive sharedvalues Apr 2017 #124

Whatever he is he needs to start Stop Getting It Wrong.. Cha Apr 2017 #130

It isn't a big tent BainsBane Apr 2017 #134

"a key goal of Russia's media interventions in 2016 was to make Democrats hate Bernie" betsuni Apr 2017 #136

Thank you Bernie Sanders for all that you do to help Democrats and the party. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #132

While I never loved or hated him during the election GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #137

I think he has a place in our politics but not as our presidential nominee. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #138

I don't consider you one, either. randome Apr 2017 #140

Not gonna criticize him for this Dem2 Apr 2017 #149

Then can we stop making him a headline here? LisaM Apr 2017 #151

Our door wasn't open to independents before? Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #153

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout, too.. Cha Apr 2017 #159

Good! It shows the Dems are a big tent and welcome Indies Arazi Apr 2017 #163

I still can't forget something Sanders said last year that shocked me, it was so ... betsuni Apr 2017 #165

I have read the responses to your thread and see it very differently than many here. Perez BeckyDem Apr 2017 #167

Good... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #170

The fact that Sanders is willing to state this says a great deal Gothmog Apr 2017 #181

DNC rolls out new jobs for top brass, including Keith Ellison's newly created position BeckyDem Apr 2017 #182

the man is free heaven05 Apr 2017 #183

Anyone who ignores independents is an idiot Bradical79 Apr 2017 #184

I don't consider him one either. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #186

Well that makes two of us, Senator Self-Righteous Gadfly.... Hekate Apr 2017 #188

I'd accept pursuing woke progressive independents only. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #192

Honestly I don't care what party he identifies with Luciferous Apr 2017 #195

Has Sanders agreed to support Ossoff yet? Gothmog Apr 2017 #196