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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. No link, so I don't know where you got that.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jul 2012

But Cesar Carrion was charged with being part of the attempted coup of the President of Ecuador. He is a very lucky man, considering the president had to be rescued by Ecuadoran troops from the police hospital.

Bradley Manning who was merely a whistle-blower, was held in solitary confinement and tortured for months, until the UN tried to intervene, and State Dept official P.J. Crowley went public calling his treatment 'counter-productive'. Crowley is no longer in the State Dept, forced to resign, but he was correct and his intervention resulted in putting an end to the torture of Bradley Manning who is and was after all, innocent.

Now, if Manning had been part of an attempted coup, had been present when the president was held captive, he would be facing the death penalty.

Ecuador has no death penalty. Another fact that makes Cesar Carrion a very lucky man.

There is no exaggeration regarding the protesters who have been charged with terrorism. Nine people were arrested in that apartment during the NATO protests, two of whom turned out to be FBI agents. The protesters are being held on over one million dollars bail.

The whole story stinks to high heaven as most people familiar with it have stated. Especially considering the fact that the same three young men had been followed by the police a few days before, attacked by them which they filmed and put on UTube, embarrassing them apparently.

Not to mention there were witnesses in the apartment. They had beer-making equipment, the FBI infiltrators brought the molotov cocktails, and the raid took place after which these kids were charged with terrorism and their bail set so high they will not be getting out OR getting a trial anytime soon.

Please stop this. We have people confined in Gitmo and in other secret prisons around the world who have never, EVER had access to any justice.

Ecuador's system of justice is very lenient considering the crimes alleged in your link. I think they need to get tougher on these rightwing traitors frankly.

Only in the US do we see these attacks on these emerging democracies, coming out from under dictatorships after decades of oppression. And up to recently, only on the Right in this country. Democrats have celebrated the work being done by Correa, again the most popular Democratic leader in Latin America.

You appear to be very misinformed about all of this, so it's hardly worth continuing to discuss it as you are arguing against the facts and with a very obvious bias, and little knowledge of the subject of Ecuador, its history, its current situation or anything else.

Clearly Assange disagrees with you and feels a lot safer going to Ecuador than to the US, where we still practice torture and the Death Penalty and still arrest journalists. See Occupy for the latest numbers of journalists harassed and mistreated and arrested in this country recently.

If it makes you feel better to defend what are Bush policies which IS what you are doing, and condemn Democratic Sovereign Nations which are way ahead of us at this tragic period in history, then that is your right, but it doesn't make you right.

You say we have a better system of justice?? Ask the citizens of Britain, France, Spain, Afghanistan, Australia, Canada who were kidnapped, chained and hooded, humiliated and flown to Guantanamo Bay, kept for years, tortured, refused Habeas Corpus rights, denied any justice and never charged with any crimes.

I don't think they would agree with you, and I think all of them would have given their lives to have been in Ecuador rather than Bush's America.

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"..because our country is a peaceful territory committed to justice and truth” Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #1
So true. :( IcyMint Jul 2012 #24
Some info treestar Jul 2012 #2
I guess you know that any report on human rights by the US State Dept. on other sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #4
I knew someone would do that treestar Jul 2012 #5
The US still operates through its rightwing contacts sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #6
Ecuador is not a good place to hold up as the pinnacle of human rights treestar Jul 2012 #8
Actually most Latin American countries, now struggling to overcome their sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #10
However, looking at the Amnesty report, we learn treestar Jul 2012 #11
The US is much better? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #12
Indeed. Routine torture in prisons, massive numbers imprisoned, prosecution of whistleblowers, Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #14
Nothing like described in my prior post treestar Jul 2012 #18
Protesters in the US have been arrested for going to a Bush rally wearing sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #23
Joe Wilson could have been arrested in Ecuador treestar Jul 2012 #29
You're working hard to discredit a country which under the current president sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #31
There is power to arrest people who insult the President there treestar Jul 2012 #35
Ecuador's laws re libel and slander are similar to those in the UK. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #39
Nobody has called for his death treestar Jul 2012 #40
So you admit he is correct when he claims the US is attempting to prosecute him. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #43
UN Secretary General, Ban commends Ecuador’s efforts on democracy, human rights, environment sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #15
Amnesty is Wrong? treestar Jul 2012 #19
They are not infallible. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #22
But the US government is completely fallible treestar Jul 2012 #28
You said that, not I. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #30
Huh? Have you ever admitted this country ever did anything right? treestar Jul 2012 #36
Yes, many times, all the time. What this country did right sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #37
Meant to add, and ask, who are these police? The US funded ones sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #17
The US is at fault? treestar Jul 2012 #20
No, he has the power, as does any leader of a Democratic nation, to hold accountable sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #21
The POTUS does not have any such power treestar Jul 2012 #27
Occupy fared well in the US?? Are you serious? In a coordinated sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #32
I am merely telling you what the state department and Amnesty observed treestar Jul 2012 #34
Sigh, the 'Nato Three' still in jail, accused of terrorism sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #38
If that is true and not exaggeration treestar Jul 2012 #41
No link, so I don't know where you got that. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #42
+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #25
This is a great interview Assange did with Correa sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #3
Thanks for adding the link, sabrina. I've watched all of Assange's shows. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #7
Interesting link. freshwest Jul 2012 #9
Feinstein renews calls for Assange to be prosecuted for espionage. Luminous Animal Jul 2012 #13
It's a disgrace, really. Elected of officials, especially democrats, sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #16
+1 KoKo Jul 2012 #33
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #26
DU rec and a link you will probably find interesting: inna Jul 2012 #44
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