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In reply to the discussion: President Correa on Assange in a recent interview. [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)But Cesar Carrion was charged with being part of the attempted coup of the President of Ecuador. He is a very lucky man, considering the president had to be rescued by Ecuadoran troops from the police hospital.
Bradley Manning who was merely a whistle-blower, was held in solitary confinement and tortured for months, until the UN tried to intervene, and State Dept official P.J. Crowley went public calling his treatment 'counter-productive'. Crowley is no longer in the State Dept, forced to resign, but he was correct and his intervention resulted in putting an end to the torture of Bradley Manning who is and was after all, innocent.
Now, if Manning had been part of an attempted coup, had been present when the president was held captive, he would be facing the death penalty.
Ecuador has no death penalty. Another fact that makes Cesar Carrion a very lucky man.
There is no exaggeration regarding the protesters who have been charged with terrorism. Nine people were arrested in that apartment during the NATO protests, two of whom turned out to be FBI agents. The protesters are being held on over one million dollars bail.
The whole story stinks to high heaven as most people familiar with it have stated. Especially considering the fact that the same three young men had been followed by the police a few days before, attacked by them which they filmed and put on UTube, embarrassing them apparently.
Not to mention there were witnesses in the apartment. They had beer-making equipment, the FBI infiltrators brought the molotov cocktails, and the raid took place after which these kids were charged with terrorism and their bail set so high they will not be getting out OR getting a trial anytime soon.
Please stop this. We have people confined in Gitmo and in other secret prisons around the world who have never, EVER had access to any justice.
Ecuador's system of justice is very lenient considering the crimes alleged in your link. I think they need to get tougher on these rightwing traitors frankly.
Only in the US do we see these attacks on these emerging democracies, coming out from under dictatorships after decades of oppression. And up to recently, only on the Right in this country. Democrats have celebrated the work being done by Correa, again the most popular Democratic leader in Latin America.
You appear to be very misinformed about all of this, so it's hardly worth continuing to discuss it as you are arguing against the facts and with a very obvious bias, and little knowledge of the subject of Ecuador, its history, its current situation or anything else.
Clearly Assange disagrees with you and feels a lot safer going to Ecuador than to the US, where we still practice torture and the Death Penalty and still arrest journalists. See Occupy for the latest numbers of journalists harassed and mistreated and arrested in this country recently.
If it makes you feel better to defend what are Bush policies which IS what you are doing, and condemn Democratic Sovereign Nations which are way ahead of us at this tragic period in history, then that is your right, but it doesn't make you right.
You say we have a better system of justice?? Ask the citizens of Britain, France, Spain, Afghanistan, Australia, Canada who were kidnapped, chained and hooded, humiliated and flown to Guantanamo Bay, kept for years, tortured, refused Habeas Corpus rights, denied any justice and never charged with any crimes.
I don't think they would agree with you, and I think all of them would have given their lives to have been in Ecuador rather than Bush's America.