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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 08:39 PM Apr 2017

Let's get us some Independents! Put Lieberman, Bloomberg, and Ventura in charge of the party! [View all]

(that's a joke)

Seriously, though, this Independent-worship thing is getting a little silly. Yeah, Bernie is an Independent, but on the whole, Independents are not a bunch of democratic socialists. The names listed in the title are much more typical of the label.

There are a lot of Is that consistently vote D or consistently vote R. Effectively, those people are either Ds or Rs already, just didn't bother to register with a party.

But other than that, independents are people who sometimes vote for Ds and sometimes for Rs (hence independent in our two party system). Which pretty much makes them low information voters. Not as bad as Republicans, of course. But still, if you even consider voting for a Republican, given today's Republican party, either you aren't paying attention or there's something wrong with you.

Because, and here's the fundamental truth that can't be gotten away from: the Democrats are better on every single issue than the Republicans. And it's not hard to see that. It's not close. There's no honor, or originality, or wisdom in failing to understand this and being "independent". Being undecided between Dems and Reps is just as stupid as being undecided about climate change, or evolution, or whether the earth is round or flat.

Do we need Independent votes to win elections? Of course. That's the way it works in politics. You can't just win with informed progressive voters. This means making some compromises. But it doesn't we need to pretend that Independents are somehow enlightened free thinkers. Because they aren't.

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K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #1
HA Goodman!!! NCTraveler Apr 2017 #2
Isn't Ross Perot still alive? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #3
Lie-berman? No. Lint Head Apr 2017 #4
anyone who is undecided after this election, WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #5
This is the reason I quit listening to Hartmann years ago. He was always telling independents & Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #6
What an odd description of Independents you offered. democrank Apr 2017 #7
lol WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #18
I need to choose a side? democrank Apr 2017 #20
I voted a straight Democratic... tonedevil Apr 2017 #22
hear that, little woman? Skittles Apr 2017 #25
lol WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #36
I guess we know different kinds of independents. DanTex Apr 2017 #24
What causes you to think that was the reason the 100 Democratic seats were lost? delisen Apr 2017 #27
Corruption in either party needs to be fought ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #8
Sure, but right now corruption lives overwhelmingly in one party and not the other. DanTex Apr 2017 #9
Is it just me or are most Independents older white dudes? nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #10
And young white dudes too. nt DanTex Apr 2017 #11
Yes. White dudes. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #12
Let's you and them fight! klook Apr 2017 #13
Very good points. The funny thing is that in Connecticut there are no "independents".... George II Apr 2017 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #15
Lol. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #21
I have found this... tonedevil Apr 2017 #23
lieberman..... KentuckyWoman Apr 2017 #16
As if The DOOR hasn't always been OPEN to INDEPENDENTS Cha Apr 2017 #17
Most of them were Russians tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #19
A Pew research chart (sorry no link) panader0 Apr 2017 #26
Independents, by and large, are more conservative than Democrats. DanTex Apr 2017 #28
My problem with centrists is that the center keeps moving further to the right. panader0 Apr 2017 #30
Well, sanders thinks we can move to the left when it comes to a class-war and that that will JCanete Apr 2017 #32
OK, and that's a reasonable argument. I might not agree, but it's defensible. DanTex Apr 2017 #37
I think we agree about how risky it is. I'm not at all convinced we'll win that fight, but its JCanete Apr 2017 #38
I think Sanders should be careful about how he promotes being an independent. JCanete Apr 2017 #29
Awesome OP! JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #31
FWIW...Peronally, I simply have no desire to "belong" to any group... MedusaX Apr 2017 #33
I have an idea... kentuck Apr 2017 #34
The Democratic Party should be controlled by Democrats and not indies Gothmog Apr 2017 #35
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