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denverbill

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56. Sometimes. How do you account for Sanders doing better than the more centrist Obama in 2012 though?

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 08:44 PM

Apr 2017

This is JUST Vermont.
Nominee Bernie Sanders John MacGovern
Party Independent Republican
Popular vote 207,848 72,898 -134,950 margin of victory
Percentage 71.0% 24.9%

Nominee Barack Obama Mitt Romney
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Massachusetts
Running mate Joe Biden Paul Ryan
Electoral vote 3 0
Popular vote 199,239 92,698 - 106,541 margin of victory
Percentage 66.57% 30.97%

Figuring Democrats vote for Democrats and Republicans vote for Republicans, this shows the progressive Independent (Sanders) winning independents resoundingly. A larger victory margin by nearly 30,000 more votes out of about 300,000 cast.

I think it's interesting the Democrats don't even run a candidate against him in Vermont because everyone knows he'll vote with Democrats the vast majority of the time.

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Can Democrats win without Independents? [View all] kentuck Apr 2017 OP

Simiple answer is, Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #1

No samrockfish Apr 2017 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Apr 2017 #3

Not if the math is right. tazkcmo Apr 2017 #4

Most "Independents" actually identify with one national Party or other... kentuck Apr 2017 #8

This glorification of "independents" is pretty silly. DanTex Apr 2017 #20

If there are more "independents" than Democrats or Republicans, then... kentuck Apr 2017 #21

Sure, we need to win their votes. That doesn't mean pretending that they are DanTex Apr 2017 #22

The reality is: kentuck Apr 2017 #23

What does that have to do with the discussion we are having? DanTex Apr 2017 #25

If you have to ask.. kentuck Apr 2017 #29

In other words, you don't have an answer. DanTex Apr 2017 #31

You are the one that wants to define "independents" as wise free thinkers? kentuck Apr 2017 #44

No, I want to define them as people pretending to be wise free thinkers. DanTex Apr 2017 #47

I'm confused by what you consider "glorification"?? kentuck Apr 2017 #51

Really? Try re-reading the glowing terms you talk about Independents in. DanTex Apr 2017 #53

I don't agree that Mike Bloomberg and Joe Lieberman are average "independents". kentuck Apr 2017 #54

Really? On what basis do you think the are exceptions? DanTex Apr 2017 #55

Post #8 kentuck Apr 2017 #57

Those aren't really independents, they are Ds or Rs that just haven't registered with a party. DanTex Apr 2017 #58

Why do you have so much animosity toward "independents"? kentuck Apr 2017 #61

The question is, why do you have so much worship for them? DanTex Apr 2017 #63

I don't get where you get this "worship" shit? kentuck Apr 2017 #65

Read your own posts, and the glowing words you describe them in. DanTex Apr 2017 #66

Thank You. nt jrthin Apr 2017 #32

Basically SirBrockington Apr 2017 #33

I will keep this in mind... Sophiegirl Apr 2017 #35

More Democrats need to understand your position. kentuck Apr 2017 #45

No LeftInTX Apr 2017 #5

No. They have this independents vote. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #6

Nope- but independents are as partisan as party members. We can't sway those bigots who hate Dems . bettyellen Apr 2017 #7

Great Post aquamarina Apr 2017 #9

NO democrank Apr 2017 #10

The important question is MedusaX Apr 2017 #11

Bernie didn't even bother to acquaint himself with Ossoff's positions, much less support him. pnwmom Apr 2017 #12

Does anyone assume that Bernie is always right?? kentuck Apr 2017 #14

Yeah, lots of people around here. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #18

Nebraska voted for Bernie, so it looks like that's why he R B Garr Apr 2017 #34

But why is he disparaging him and Dems as not necessarily being progressive -- pnwmom Apr 2017 #36

Exactly. His actions, by who he selects and where, suggest R B Garr Apr 2017 #41

We don't need racists. AngryAmish Apr 2017 #13

Who suggested that? kentuck Apr 2017 #15

Many DU'ers seem to think so, given the way they bash Independents like Bernie Sanders. denverbill Apr 2017 #16

Statistics can be misleading Progressive dog Apr 2017 #48

Sometimes. How do you account for Sanders doing better than the more centrist Obama in 2012 though? denverbill Apr 2017 #56

Bernie got less than the 75% he Progressive dog Apr 2017 #60

No. That's why we can't chase away people like Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill, DanTex Apr 2017 #17

If another Democrat cannot defeat them in a primary...? kentuck Apr 2017 #19

Of course not. wildeyed Apr 2017 #24

If people voted on what is in their best interests and the interest of the nation and the world... kentuck Apr 2017 #26

Yep, it's far more complex than people are making it out to be JHan Apr 2017 #28

Is 30% a majority? Barack_America Apr 2017 #27

No, we can't, under the current system. Tatiana Apr 2017 #30

And yet Bernie said he didn't know whether Ossoff was a progressive -- pnwmom Apr 2017 #38

Well, Bernie is clearly wrong and I'm sure someone will have educated him by now. Tatiana Apr 2017 #46

Progressive should be more than just a label. kentuck Apr 2017 #52

Democrats know how to Govern SirBrockington Apr 2017 #37

So agree. But let's leave a little blame for bad citizens. Hortensis Apr 2017 #59

Well stated Progressive dog Apr 2017 #39

No. Thanks for a realistic OP. kr PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #40

Depends on which "independents" you mean. Xolodno Apr 2017 #42

Can Democrats win without Centrists? It's a big tent. Hekate Apr 2017 #43

We need a bigger tent. kentuck Apr 2017 #49

No yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2017 #50

Do independents want America destroyed as much as conservatives? beachbum bob Apr 2017 #62

I would guess that most of the progressive, democratic "independents" would not? kentuck Apr 2017 #64

Tip O'Neill and basic math say "No" - we need a party and candidate slate built from the ground up. Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #67