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markpkessinger

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73. As I said in a certain other thread . . .

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 12:15 AM

Apr 2017

"Bashing Bernie is easy; learning the lessons of 2016, not so much."

I mean, I guess these folks think we should just revert to the same old same old. Hell, just hire Debbie back and pick up where she left off, right? What many don't seem to grasp is that whatever may be said about Russia or Wikileaks or Comey or Assange (all of which should be thoroughly investigated), at the end of the day, the reality is still that nobody held a gun to anybody's head and forced them to pull the lever for Trump. And if people failed to show up at the polls, it is because a candidate failed to inspire them to show up at the polls.

So sure: let's just keep doing what we've been doing (because it has worked out SO well for the party) and hope for a different result. There's a word for that.

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The Bernie Bashing is so counterproductive. [View all] TDale313 Apr 2017 OP

I dont think the "vast majority" of Independents voted Dem in November. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #1

An article worth reading that was written Oct 31 2016 Kathy M Apr 2017 #8

I'd love to see some numbers on this tavalon Apr 2017 #124

"Bernie bashing" is not allowed on DU. Them's the rules. oasis Apr 2017 #2

Bit of advice, don't wade into the cesspool that is the front page of GD. Barack_America Apr 2017 #16

I see plenty OPs where questions about BS are raised. In browsing oasis Apr 2017 #25

No shit. WoonTars Apr 2017 #106

But it's started again. zentrum Apr 2017 #53

It's not bashing when BS' quotes, insulting the Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #62

Exactly. When questions arise it's fair to examine a politician's oasis Apr 2017 #71

.. Cha Apr 2017 #78

Which rule is that? Orrex Apr 2017 #92

Here: demmiblue Apr 2017 #96

Thank you. Orrex Apr 2017 #97

I wish this was enforced. SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #108

Me too. OnionPatch Apr 2017 #118

Too bad Bernie won't follow the same rule. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2017 #137

I believe that's the entire point. ret5hd Apr 2017 #3

'the harder it becomes to to come together where we need to.' elleng Apr 2017 #4

And Bernie bashing the Democratic Party ... NanceGreggs Apr 2017 #5

He doesn't 'bash,' elleng Apr 2017 #9

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #14

Lol sheshe2 Apr 2017 #18

facts like WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #19

That's exactly what it is, and it needs to stop... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #34

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #42

Yes, FACTS like those.. that they can't seem Cha Apr 2017 #54

+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #59

BULLPUCKEY! BS insults the Democratic Party with shots like these.. Cha Apr 2017 #44

Yup. But you zentrum Apr 2017 #56

Absolutely TRUE Elleng. i agree 100% with you. BigBearJohn Apr 2017 #69

It's actually supremely effective... Barack_America Apr 2017 #20

Thanks, Barack. I'm outta here. elleng Apr 2017 #23

bye WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #37

Bullying so soon? Barack_America Apr 2017 #40

By that you mean??? sheshe2 Apr 2017 #50

It's a bold introduction to the group. Barack_America Apr 2017 #55

Lol sheshe2 Apr 2017 #81

sleep tight sheshe2 Apr 2017 #82

What is the Democratic Party? A means to (left-liberal) ends? YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #65

I'm just going to say it isn't productive. Lone Star Apr 2017 #6

I don't get what the infatuation with Bernie is all about? There are plenty of other Dems who we Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #7

I agree, around 15 to 20 people here. elleng Apr 2017 #10

I never see it among the foul mouthed knitters Warpy Apr 2017 #11

Your discipline is admirable, Warpy. elleng Apr 2017 #12

Hopefully.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #100

Two things. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #68

You hit it out of the park with #1. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #109

Spot. On. Thank you. TDale313 Apr 2017 #111

You got it. JudyM Apr 2017 #120

right now he represents bashing democrats uponit7771 Apr 2017 #125

As I said in a certain other thread . . . markpkessinger Apr 2017 #73

The goal is to keep the party from being remade into the image of a person who is not supporting the Gothmog Apr 2017 #13

supports the party's goals, and has forever. elleng Apr 2017 #22

BS spends a lot of time insulting the Democratic Party.. he is Wrong & Divisive.. Cha Apr 2017 #72

I would like to see it made into a party that doesn't jerk to the right in fear all the time Gore1FL Apr 2017 #49

Amen.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #114

What's counterproductive is the Democratic Party's political strategy and embrace of wealthy donors. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #70

Like TYT and their GOP sugar daddy? N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #80

Thanks for the reminder, +1 emulatorloo Apr 2017 #128

Right? We finally have someone who can reach GOP voters.... Barack_America Apr 2017 #15

Well said. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #24

+ 1 I voted for Bernie in the primary.... berksdem Apr 2017 #103

Bingo. TDale313 Apr 2017 #112

They are a loud bunch.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #115

Same old blah blah bitching, like the kid at school you can't stand to eat lunch with. JudyM Apr 2017 #122

saying abortion is a wedge issue isn't 'reaching'...lot more more people who don't vote than wingers uponit7771 Apr 2017 #126

Counterproductive for whom? QC Apr 2017 #17

It sure does, WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #21

Not to mention professional message board disruptors. QC Apr 2017 #27

No, they are here right now trying to WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #28

Not for the Kremlin quakerboy Apr 2017 #26

HuffPo - Democrats Must Overhaul Party, Attack Big Business, Bernie Sanders Says TomCADem Apr 2017 #29

Sanders takes his fight to his friends rather than his enemies. His take on economics is 19th and delisen Apr 2017 #88

Why Did You Even Do This Thread? Me. Apr 2017 #30

Don't ya think it is GOP trolls? Bernie is the most popular politician in the country and applegrove Apr 2017 #31

And help for student zentrum Apr 2017 #58

Yes. He's the real populist. applegrove Apr 2017 #60

He's the most popular Senator in his state. herding cats Apr 2017 #66

BS Bashing the Democratic Party is so Fucking Counter-Productive. Cha Apr 2017 #32

maybe its a case of brettdale Apr 2017 #33

+1,000,000 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #48

What puts me off is BS insulting our Democratic Party.. Cha Apr 2017 #61

Try The Ignore Button or Trash..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #101

So is trying to shut down legitimate debate and discussion and opinions. nikibatts Apr 2017 #35

He's not a Democrat... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #36

A-fucking-men Cryptoad Apr 2017 #39

:) tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #46

Sadly I have to agree. cstanleytech Apr 2017 #67

+10000000000 N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #76

Here We Go Again..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #102

But loving the truth is he isn't a member of the party and that was his choice for whatever reason. cstanleytech Apr 2017 #110

I never had a problem with Sanders Gman Apr 2017 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #41

Welcome to DU. That's quite a mish-mash of an intro. Hekate Apr 2017 #45

Your OP is itself counterproductive. You've built quite a straw man there. Hekate Apr 2017 #43

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #47

what Bernie Bashing ? stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #51

The Democrat bashing is so counterproductive. pnwmom Apr 2017 #52

"Some Democrats are progressive, and some Democrats are not, the 2016 presidential candidate added Cha Apr 2017 #63

Anyone who ran in a primary election is considered to be a candidate. mwooldri Apr 2017 #85

There are no Liberal Republicans. TDale313 Apr 2017 #64

The thing is, everyone matters. herding cats Apr 2017 #74

+1000. And to think some "progressives" like Stein and Sarandon welcomed DT pnwmom Apr 2017 #77

Yes, they were either fools or tools, I'm not sure which. herding cats Apr 2017 #86

Bernie bashed Jon Ossoff when he said he didn't know if Ossoff was progressive, pnwmom Apr 2017 #75

I don't know Bernie's intent on that. TDale313 Apr 2017 #83

The terms progressive and conservative are both relative terms. It's not all or nothing. pnwmom Apr 2017 #84

Bernie sees things very dualistically ehrnst Apr 2017 #93

The more he lectures Dems on what it takes to be a real progressive, the more pnwmom Apr 2017 #129

Got me. ehrnst Apr 2017 #130

Yes! She's a great counter-example. Just as passionate, and yet pnwmom Apr 2017 #131

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #127

Thank you for your OP. Equinox Moon Apr 2017 #57

Bernie Sanders doesn't insult the Democratic party elmac Apr 2017 #79

Yeah, I wish they would find someone else to bash, like DT. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #87

Exactly who is screaming that independent are bad? synergie Apr 2017 #89

When someone tolerates no dissent from his views, that's not "coming together" ehrnst Apr 2017 #90

+1.000 malaise Apr 2017 #91

+1.001 demmiblue Apr 2017 #95

No - You know what's "counterproductive"? maxrandb Apr 2017 #94

Bernie has never made that case. TDale313 Apr 2017 #98

This. alarimer Apr 2017 #99

Bernie bashing will lower voter turn out in '18 and '20 left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #104

Yup, thank you for this nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #105

The Bernie is all that is good is not too helpful treestar Apr 2017 #107

No politician has all the answers. TDale313 Apr 2017 #113

Yep. And now apparently we're trolls. OnionPatch Apr 2017 #116

Supports him for what? He will not be a candidate in 2020 Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #117

I support the way he champions progressive values. OnionPatch Apr 2017 #119

And that is fine. I just don't support people who are not running for anything... I Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #121

Thats just a handful of people though. cstanleytech Apr 2017 #123

"Joining the party"- what does that even mean? YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #132

It means what I said which is he stops registering as an independant and registers as cstanleytech Apr 2017 #133

Vermont has no party registration. nt YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #134

I mean registering with the party as member, sheesh. cstanleytech Apr 2017 #135

Again, there is no official Democratic Party membership. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #136