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grantcart

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151. To say that it's all about turnout and then only speak to Democratic turnout

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 06:50 PM

Apr 2017

proves that you do not understand the basic rules of modern campaign management, and pol sci 101.

It's not your gross turnout that is significant but the difference between the two.

If you spend $1 million and increase your turnout by 10, 000 but irritate the opposition so that 15,000 more Republicans turn out then you have a negative 5,000.

For that reason when you are running in a district like GA 6 you are as conscious about the blowback of ads and surrogates. The key to GA 6 Is not in getting Democrats to over perform but get Republicans to under perform. This is really basic stuff but true to your name you can't get past your one note and continue to go off point. You get the last response so feel free to miss the point completely one more time.

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WAPO: Bernie Sanders's strange behavior [View all] ehrnst Apr 2017 OP

What the hay, BS?! Cha Apr 2017 #1

Wow. cwydro Apr 2017 #2

Weird.. Cha Apr 2017 #3

Sanders is head of Democratic Party Outreach. He's supposed to be working for the Democratic party. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #6

the echo chamber is strong here azureblue Apr 2017 #77

What part of the article gets it wrong? lark Apr 2017 #104

There are certainly "fools" here, but it's not the readers of Wapo. And as for "taking your crap.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #130

This isn't Vermont DownriverDem Apr 2017 #150

WaPo is best mainstream news source. Bernie haters are wrong though. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #159

I guess you're with PEEOTUS on the free press being "the fake news" ehrnst Apr 2017 #169

How dare you bash Bernie Sanders!!! With quotes and all!!! DetlefK Apr 2017 #7

ROFL! tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #75

Raising the cost for abortion providers is one way to obstruct low income women from having access ehrnst Apr 2017 #12

. He has stated that "economic issues" are what determines if a candidate is "progressive or not." Cha Apr 2017 #20

Source? KPN Apr 2017 #39

Use the Google machine... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #78

I did. Can't find anything that says that (what Cha posted) KPN Apr 2017 #85

Being able to control her own body is the most fundamental economic issue. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #92

Well said. MontanaMama Apr 2017 #176

Is he Pence in disguise? greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #42

It's Crazy, greataunt.. Cha Apr 2017 #45

Just nuts. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #50

How about you do a little homework before using Mello as a means to attack Bernie. KPN Apr 2017 #51

What, still no response? nt. druidity33 Apr 2017 #146

Plus, BS has endorsed Tom Perriello in the VA lapucelle Apr 2017 #71

Good find, lapucelle! Exactly when you put it that Cha Apr 2017 #74

I've never read his 1972 'Rape Essay' Dammit Jim Apr 2017 #108

That is not very progressive of Mello. nt sheshe2 Apr 2017 #141

Daily Kos pulled their endorsement. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #143

Sanders didn't need to say Osseff was progressive or not. He could just say KittyWampus Apr 2017 #4

"he's a Democrat fighting for the people of his district". Cha Apr 2017 #9

how did Hillary support Ossoff sammythecat Apr 2017 #106

This isn't about Hillary.. this is about BS the "Chairman Cha Apr 2017 #115

Hillary, or any other Democrat for that matter, sammythecat Apr 2017 #118

BS is a sitting Senator and Chairman of Outreach.. he didn't Cha Apr 2017 #120

That's the inverse of the problem ehrnst Apr 2017 #170

Hillary is not responsible for his lack of awareness R B Garr Apr 2017 #116

Why does she, and other silent Democrats get a pass while BS sammythecat Apr 2017 #119

I think the right to blame Hillary for everything was R B Garr Apr 2017 #121

That's why I included "any other Democrat" sammythecat Apr 2017 #124

Taking things out of context will always R B Garr Apr 2017 #125

As far as Ossoff is concerned, I would be too hard on Bernie. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #10

What I posted is positive enough without coming across as any kind of endorsement... KittyWampus Apr 2017 #13

Warren hasn't stated that she determines who is "progressive" and who is "maybe not." ehrnst Apr 2017 #18

good point, GA is so right wing treestar Apr 2017 #25

GA is so right wing that no comment from any D is going to push them stopbush Apr 2017 #103

Hi treestar..Samuel L Jackson made a campaign Ad for him.. Cha Apr 2017 #122

Why wouldn't Ossoff want positive comments from Bernie? onenote Apr 2017 #28

because he already has the progressives and wants to get swing voters? grantcart Apr 2017 #40

I think that's wishful thinking. onenote Apr 2017 #76

No it's strategic thinking. grantcart Apr 2017 #90

what is the basis for your numbers? onenote Apr 2017 #99

It's a deep red district that Price won by a landslide grantcart Apr 2017 #126

Its a district in which the incumbent republican won by a landslide onenote Apr 2017 #128

lol your continued attempt to mix Presidential strategy with they dynamics of this district is grantcart Apr 2017 #131

I just made a joke elsewhere that Karen Handel should MGKrebs Apr 2017 #135

It's both more complicated and simpler than you suggest. onenote Apr 2017 #140

To say that it's all about turnout and then only speak to Democratic turnout grantcart Apr 2017 #151

Irritate the opposition? onenote Apr 2017 #155

Sanders didn't need to make a strongly positive comment. He could have made a generic KittyWampus Apr 2017 #94

All I am saying is that it seems unneccessary to be critical of Bernie over this. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #70

Bernie does not give anyone else the benefit of the doubt. ehrnst Apr 2017 #114

I will only support pro-choice candidates, and Bernie should do the same. appal_jack Apr 2017 #5

Anyone who dismisses women's reproductive health care and childbearing as a "social issue" ehrnst Apr 2017 #11

Yep. I'm SO with you there. calimary Apr 2017 #59

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #91

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #86

You can't declare half the human population to be less than human Warpy Apr 2017 #111

what do they even think the good is? treestar Apr 2017 #26

It makes the procedure much, much more expensive. That's the only reason. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #112

Thank you BainsBane Apr 2017 #165

Cheers, sister! appal_jack Apr 2017 #185

The first rule of Our Revolution: OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #8

Disappointing. Wondering if there is some strategy at work. yodermon Apr 2017 #19

There is definite wishful thinking on that treestar Apr 2017 #30

There's a pretty simple explanation for the "strange" behavior frazzled Apr 2017 #14

Doesn't explain why Bernie stated that "he didn't know if Ossoff was progressive." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #15

Sure it does. frazzled Apr 2017 #17

Makes sense. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #21

More like screw the candidate that didn't support me in the primary or that is backed by John Lewis. JTFrog Apr 2017 #22

Yeah.. karma's gonna catch up Cha Apr 2017 #29

That is just not necessary. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #136

But as a "leader" of the Democratic Party shouldn't he have bothered to find out a little bit... George II Apr 2017 #46

Even if someone doesn't have the time to do their own homework... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #52

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #97

Uncalled for. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #137

The RNCC was already painting Ossoff as being supported by Sanders and Pelosi ehrnst Apr 2017 #23

I think that played into it. LisaM Apr 2017 #49

that is 100 percent speculation of motives without any actual proof, fed only by your own JCanete Apr 2017 #158

the issue in question is his championing a pro-life candidate BainsBane Apr 2017 #164

And why is he focusing on a mayoral election? RedWedge Apr 2017 #16

Because the anti-choice candidate Mello is obviously comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #61

How much effect could a mayor have on any abortion laws in a state? Ligyron Apr 2017 #105

So always support the Democratic candidate on the ticket... That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #109

Did Mello endorse him? BainsBane Apr 2017 #166

If you have to do that to get elected in Nebraska treestar Apr 2017 #24

??????? MFM008 Apr 2017 #27

Strange Is Right Me. Apr 2017 #31

Women and people of color are our base. fun n serious Apr 2017 #32

+1 nt Fresh_Start Apr 2017 #33

AND WE VOTE!! nikibatts Apr 2017 #35

I disagree and would say that KPN Apr 2017 #36

ROFL!!!! tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #89

Really? You find that funny? KPN Apr 2017 #93

Have you read some of Sanders statements he said in the past in regards to race? uponit7771 Apr 2017 #181

Yes. KPN Apr 2017 #182

Not according to the manifesto ehrnst Apr 2017 #47

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #180

Let me guess ... authored by Chris Cillizza or Aaron Blake? KPN Apr 2017 #34

The Washington Post attacked Sanders? OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #43

16 negative stories in 16 hours. QC Apr 2017 #44

Well, I guess we can join the WH in dismissing less than complimentary press ehrnst Apr 2017 #53

How about we all look into the facts a bit before we go KPN Apr 2017 #62

Couldn't agree more. Ligyron Apr 2017 #107

Yup. And we've got DUers KPN Apr 2017 #55

Meh. OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #68

Durng the election over a year ago.....old old news..... Historic NY Apr 2017 #81

Democrats "get over" civil rights and public health issues being relegated to the back of the bus? ehrnst Apr 2017 #48

So you favor the the GOP candidate? There are only 2 candidates for that election. That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #123

4 of the five justices were Democratic appointees and the 5th only happened because Democrats dsc Apr 2017 #127

Bork was unqualified, but when was that? That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #132

we actually had a better batting average with our nominees than they did with theirs dsc Apr 2017 #139

Were Souter, O'Conner, Kennedy and Stevens post-1990's appointees? That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #142

"Great paper, but a clear centrist bias." NurseJackie Apr 2017 #56

Has any of the Democratic Party Leadership commented on this? Amimnoch Apr 2017 #37

How can they? It's pretty clear that outside forces are trying to use Sanders as a wedge... KittyWampus Apr 2017 #101

This is starting to get really cray cray! ananda Apr 2017 #38

She seems to have been right a number of times ont the Russian agents issue TNLib Apr 2017 #98

This is about his campaigning for a pro-life candidate BainsBane Apr 2017 #167

Bernie's Envy dlk Apr 2017 #41

People all over this site say that all that matters is the D after their names. alarimer Apr 2017 #54

Why would he endorse Mello and not Ossoff, a progressive? And claim not to know pnwmom Apr 2017 #113

Having a majority with a D after their names is what gives a party control over leadership. pnwmom Apr 2017 #154

WASHINGTON POST'S STRANGE BEHAVIOR. KPN Apr 2017 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #58

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #73

Great post and analysis. I forgot about the debate angle, R B Garr Apr 2017 #117

No flames from me, my friend. calimary Apr 2017 #102

A Russian agent? I think thats a bit to much into the twilight zone for me to believe to be honest cstanleytech Apr 2017 #149

Sanders is not trying to help the Democratic Party Gothmog Apr 2017 #60

LOL, someone alerted on your post. FSogol Apr 2017 #63

Wow. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #67

I give up on everyone. retrowire Apr 2017 #64

Et tu Bernie? SunSeeker Apr 2017 #65

But when you point things out its back to your bashing him , etc...wake up to REALITY Historic NY Apr 2017 #87

Yep. nt SunSeeker Apr 2017 #88

That is just horrible. There is no excuse for him allowing R B Garr Apr 2017 #138

It seems ever since an article published Mr. Evil Apr 2017 #66

So you like how he handled the Omaha election and Ossoff? SunSeeker Apr 2017 #69

That article was mislabeled. Sanders is the most popular member of Congress for Vermonters. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #95

For the love of shit, can't we move forward. Chicago1980 Apr 2017 #72

Agree attacking Bernie does nothing but help Trump. Brogrizzly Apr 2017 #79

DNC should limit ,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2017 #80

They both know it would have hurt Ossoff. elias7 Apr 2017 #82

I think most of us have had it with his arbitrary decrees of ecstatic Apr 2017 #83

Yay! Another Bernie Thread!!!! LOL Lib Apr 2017 #84

He endorsed a pro-life candidate before BainsBane Apr 2017 #96

So I guess... JCinNYC Apr 2017 #100

It's so confusing. Sanders is bad because he isn't a Democrat. Mello is bad but he is a Democrat. Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #110

He is pro-life. That is the issue. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #144

As is Manchin. As is Casey. As is Donnelly. As is Lipinski and Peterson in House. I don't Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #145

I would vote for him if I lived in that city, but I would not endorse Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #147

Well that's fine. Sanders obviously feels differently. Maybe he was asked to do this. Maybe Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #152

There is no reason that would be sufficient. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #175

Well I guess Democrats think differently than you. DCCC is making an investment to back Quist Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #177

Perhaps but in my opinion the other race for mayor...absolutely no reason Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #178

Well everyone is entitled to an opinion. I thought pro-life Kaine was a crappy VP candidate but . . Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #179

Kaine had evolved on the issue...as you know. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #183

Like I said - ask the DCCC. Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #184

Like I said...why waste money and endorsements on an obscure mayor's race Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #186

I would vote for the Democrat always...but picking a mayoral Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #174

Unless he is vegetarian and against the death penalty, he is not "pro-life" DFW Apr 2017 #148

Nice try...but it doesn't work. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #173

"Heath Mello was rated 100% by Planned Parenthood Voters of Nebraska" QC Apr 2017 #153

Really,he tried to force women to look at ultrasounds before abortion. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #172

Women's rights are the issue BainsBane Apr 2017 #163

These tweets are in the WP article Gothmog Apr 2017 #129

First do no harm. You would think he would at least have that common sense R B Garr Apr 2017 #133

BS said ..he "isn't prepared to back Democrats just because of Cha Apr 2017 #171

It's not strange for Bernie VoicesAcrossAmerica Apr 2017 #134

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #156

No, he's not helping about anything Cha Apr 2017 #157

Yes and the question is why is he so actively not helping underthematrix Apr 2017 #160

I know.. but Cha Apr 2017 #162

I'm not a member of any organized political party IronLionZion Apr 2017 #161

Bernie said on NPR: zentrum Apr 2017 #168

NO BainsBane Apr 2017 #187

Yet he spoke up first zentrum Apr 2017 #188

Bernie is your focus, not mine BainsBane Apr 2017 #189