Let's get us some Independents! Put Lieberman, Bloomberg, and Ventura in charge of the party!

[JCanete]

38. I think we agree about how risky it is. I'm not at all convinced we'll win that fight, but its

easier for me to consider because I don't think we're winning it now. I think as much as we try to be the adults in the room, telling corporate heads and rich people, "look, lets be responsible here and not incite pitch-forks. Come to the table with us and lets work something out, " the money keeps going..."sure, here's some money because we prefer you to anything close to a socialist, and trust us, we'll totally work with you--when we have to--after our first pick loses and our other options are exhausted." And then they sick their media on the democrats anyway, and do what they can to make sure we do lose, or are so bloodied and maligned that we cant' get them to work with us when we're in office.

I think we need to scare the shit out of them and their GOP lackeys with what would be considered "extreme" legislation, just so that they cave to compromise the way our party-members are often told they need to do, for fear of something more drastic. Its obviously a different game. The media will sell the GOP narrative and trash a liberal narrative. But social media is here, and we can use it, and we can disavow corporate media too, and should. The GOP has already done that work...I say we judo it and say "that's right, corporately owned media can't be trusted," but for entirely different reasons. I mean, it will come with the territory. As soon as we step over that line in uncompromising terms, the knives will be out in the media even more viciously than they typically are. But the point is those knives are out now.

The media spin should absolutely be in question when people watch or listen to it, but it has to be viewed through an entirely different lens than what it is currently, and we have the basic evidence to back it up. Why would huge corporations be anti corporation? Why would they be trying to sell higher taxes for the wealthy? Why would they be trying to sell draconian and "fake" environmental policies? The logic is so flawed on its surface, but the media perpetuates itself as "liberal" because that is effective, and we don't challenge it.