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quakerboy

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78. It confuses me that you think Bernie running as a spoiler would have been a good thing

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:48 AM

Apr 2017

Bernie running as a Democrat was a Win/Win, right up up until the party's dirty laundry got aired. It was more just a lackluster win for the Party after that.

It was a win for Bernie. He would not have polled as highly as a third party candidate. He would not have gotten 13 million votes, 43% of the democratic primary vote. Instead he would have gotten fewer votes.. but the percentage would have been far higher, easily sweeping whatever 3rd party he ran in. Probably the greens, but who knows.

But then would have been running in the GE. And he would have gotten far more votes than Stein did. Votes that would have had to come from somewhere.

Instead he ran as a Democrat, which meant that if he didn't win that primary.. He was not on the GE ballot, actively pulling votes from Hillary.

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I have tried to be neutral for the good of the party, but when I hear that Bernie [View all] mfcorey1 Apr 2017 OP

It was just ignorant on Sanders part. He has made a career of yelling at walls. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #1

OKAY, pull me back from the edge because that really pissed! mfcorey1 Apr 2017 #2

I think it is going to have more of a minimal impact nationaly than it is in GA. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #3

Why would say he's not wanted here? nt StubbornThings Apr 2017 #5

The make-up of the electorate in GA. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #8

Based on what? StubbornThings Apr 2017 #9

Based on history. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #10

Hillary beat Bernie there--Where is she? panader0 Apr 2017 #13

I don't know where she is. Not sure what that has to do with anything. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #19

"I don't know if he is a true progressive" panader0 Apr 2017 #21

"Are you suggesting he doesn't? " NCTraveler Apr 2017 #24

Well, is he or not? panader0 Apr 2017 #25

"bashers" NCTraveler Apr 2017 #27

You're not the head of Democratic Outreach, so it isn't your responsibility to know emulatorloo Apr 2017 #39

Outreach to.. Whom? quakerboy Apr 2017 #77

I think if anything it's more likely to help Ossoff than hurt him Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #41

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How much money did the DNC contribute? Why didn't they help fund the Kansas race? Lone Star Apr 2017 #66

To be fair, she also did not fair well in Georgia quakerboy Apr 2017 #76

I'm pissed too fun n serious Apr 2017 #23

Then he should have said "I haven't followed that race." Instead of saying he didn't know pnwmom Apr 2017 #11

He's just not good at speaking off-script. randome Apr 2017 #15

Then he shouldn't go off script to speak about Democrats or his habitual negativity pnwmom Apr 2017 #17

His script is even worse when it comes to Democrats. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #20

You are arguing a point not in contention in my post. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #16

agree that gopers will throw a lot of garbage at ossoff, but sanders shouldn't give em bullets gah iluvtennis Apr 2017 #33

I live in Atlanta and I disagree. nt StubbornThings Apr 2017 #4

I beg to differ. Let's just see what develops! I live in District 6. mfcorey1 Apr 2017 #6

I live in District 5. StubbornThings Apr 2017 #7

Did you ever hear about Ossoff before this election? panader0 Apr 2017 #12

yes. that race got huge attention for a house race JI7 Apr 2017 #18

Who cares if he's a "true progressive"? What does that even mean? DanTex Apr 2017 #28

Out of curiosity--do you know what question was posed to Bernie panader0 Apr 2017 #38

Exactly Heartstrings Apr 2017 #45

Here you go. Fla Dem Apr 2017 #57

I don't know either. panader0 Apr 2017 #58

Hear! Hear! kytngirl Apr 2017 #43

It confuses me that you think Bernie running as a spoiler would have been a good thing quakerboy Apr 2017 #78

A true progressive like Mello? RedWedge Apr 2017 #37

Mello, anti Pro Choice Fla Dem Apr 2017 #59

I'll use my sarcasm typeface next time. RedWedge Apr 2017 #60

I knew what you were saying. Simply reinforcing your point and providing info for others. Fla Dem Apr 2017 #61

Yes, he never criticized Ossoff. mvd Apr 2017 #93

Ossoff is lewis' guy and georgia went for hillary over him JI7 Apr 2017 #14

No, Georgia did not go for Hillary Clinton mtngirl47 Apr 2017 #32

I think he meant GA went for Hil ... Whiskeytide Apr 2017 #34

Ok....now I get it! mtngirl47 Apr 2017 #40

Yeah, I don't think it is his place to comment on a race in Georgia. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #22

'doesn't know if Ossoff is a true progressive' musette_sf Apr 2017 #26

Uh, why is this such a huge problem? Warpy Apr 2017 #29

That's the way I see it, but there is a sizable number of people here refighting the primary That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #47

My ignore list is growing Warpy Apr 2017 #48

Exactly...this is a good thread to "thin the herd". Cattledog Apr 2017 #79

That pretty much sums it up. The same actors are involved in most of these OPs. TheBlackAdder Apr 2017 #51

What do you mean? Vesper Apr 2017 #53

This isn't just disagreement, this is a blatant attempt to split the party Warpy Apr 2017 #62

There are a lot of people disagreeing, and it might be a blatant attempt to split the party Vesper Apr 2017 #68

I didn't think a Democratic candidate should seek and accecpt the endorsement of war criminals. That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #95

No, thank you. Vesper Apr 2017 #96

ontheissues.org - Joe Manchin - "Pro-life; pro-NRA; anti-EPA " - Tim Kaine is pro-life too That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #97

I'm about to hide all of it. mvd Apr 2017 #94

I agree Gothmog Apr 2017 #30

Look for a simple answer ... Whiskeytide Apr 2017 #31

Yes! In fact Bernie saying OSsof may not be a a progressive Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #54

I don't understand the conspiracy here bekkilyn Apr 2017 #35

The last thing Claire McCaskill would want anyone to say about her is loyalsister Apr 2017 #36

I just saw the 1st negative ad vs Handel by the DNCC. None before now despite........... MRDAWG Apr 2017 #42

Alright already! lexington filly Apr 2017 #44

Thanks for this post lexington filly progressoid Apr 2017 #52

I would be thrilled to never see Bernie's name on DU again. Unfortunately and stupidly some seaglass Apr 2017 #86

Your concern is noted n2doc Apr 2017 #49

I can't believe we are 3 months into a fucking Trump Presidency and so many people even give a shit world wide wally Apr 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #55

Yikes... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #56

But, he's campaigning for a pro-"lifer".. Cha Apr 2017 #63

I have seen quite a few of Bernie's posts on Facebook since election. kentuck Apr 2017 #64

You might want to listen to how Ossoff identifies himself before going off on Bernie. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #65

Bernie could have read Jon's website and found that he IS a progressive, pnwmom Apr 2017 #67

Since Ossof has rejected labeling - for whatever reason Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #69

Which post violates which TOS? Do you think it's okay for Bernie to bash Democrats pnwmom Apr 2017 #70

If he is posting on DU, I would alert on it or hide it if I was on a jury. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #72

Except he doesn't consider himself a Democrat. So why should we? pnwmom Apr 2017 #73

Because the TOS say he is treated as one here. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #74

The TOS allows constructive criticism, but not "disrespectful nicknames, insults, pnwmom Apr 2017 #75

You didn't include just plain old insults - Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #89

I dont get why yall think its an aspersion quakerboy Apr 2017 #81

He also didn't endorse the only Democrat in the race with a chance to beat the Republicans. pnwmom Apr 2017 #82

Did Ossoff ask for his support? quakerboy Apr 2017 #90

I wouldn't have minded if Bernie had just said , "I didn't follow that race." pnwmom Apr 2017 #91

I disagree quakerboy Apr 2017 #92

I think that Ossoff being labelled as a progressive would hurt him a lot more. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2017 #71

Were of you alerted for abuse? I'm asking because someone alerted on a tweet underthematrix Apr 2017 #80

I'll toast to that.. Cha Apr 2017 #83

BS said "..he isn't prepared to back Democrats just because of Cha Apr 2017 #84

I've kept my mouth shut, too lillypaddle Apr 2017 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #87

Especially since he is campaigning for an anti choicer and calling HIM progressive obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #88