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JHan

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90. I don't even get why Kaine is being raised,

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 08:30 AM

Apr 2017

AFAIK progressives disliked him as VP choice. He's not exactly a progressive stalwart in their eyes.

The point here for me is the selective choice of so called "wedge issues" to be "pragmatic" over. Shock of shockers that we have to fashion our message district by district, shock of shockers that politics is sometimes complex. If Bernie's conditional is to support progressive Democrats and progressive Democrats alone, Mello is a strange endorsement. If progressives who took issue with Kaine are happy with Sanders stomping for Mello, they should have had no issue with Clinton picking Kaine for "pragmatic" reasons even though any equivalence between mello and kaine is ridiculous.

But I'm happy people are realising that ideology and political views exist in a continuum and gray areas exist in politics. Funny how that escaped the understanding of so many last year

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How can one claim to be progressive while being pro-life? [View all] BainsBane Apr 2017 OP

You can't deny the adult humanity of half the human race and be progressive. Warpy Apr 2017 #1

Agreed BainsBane Apr 2017 #2

If you're talking about Mello in Nebraska Warpy Apr 2017 #11

We're not talking about a vote BainsBane Apr 2017 #24

Wanting to control what someone else does JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #3

Yes, you sort of can. I think. Orsino Apr 2017 #111

Half the human race. Think about it. Warpy Apr 2017 #116

Believe it or not there are people on this board defending this choice instead of campaigning... brush Apr 2017 #4

Whether he campaigns for Ossoff is one matter. BainsBane Apr 2017 #5

Ok...I'm a dislexic and a political simpleton.... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #17

Here BainsBane Apr 2017 #29

I wouldn't waste a vote on him, either Warpy Apr 2017 #36

You are ignoring the articles linked BainsBane Apr 2017 #40

Oh come on Kentonio Apr 2017 #47

This really pisses me off BainsBane Apr 2017 #93

You just did smear his record for christs sake! Kentonio Apr 2017 #118

You couldn't be clearer in your view BainsBane Apr 2017 #121

You're hilarious Kentonio Apr 2017 #133

Don't bullshit me BainsBane Apr 2017 #134

I think she/he broke it down splendidly. Tell Sanders to stop backing pro-lifers brush Apr 2017 #142

I just copied this comment from a FB thread: Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #6

+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #18

This is sickeningly surreal.. Cha Apr 2017 #28

+1000! mcar Apr 2017 #75

I agree radical noodle Apr 2017 #7

They are personally opposed to abortion but not pro-life BainsBane Apr 2017 #15

Whereas Mello.. Cha Apr 2017 #32

Yes, exactly radical noodle Apr 2017 #94

I see where your coming from and I get your point...: Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #8

No, they have refuted that claim BainsBane Apr 2017 #13

Thank you for this quakerboy Apr 2017 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #14

Because being a "purist" is not a prerequisite for being a progressive/liberal. Lil Missy Apr 2017 #9

Disagree. JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #12

Rights of half the population are not negotiable BainsBane Apr 2017 #16

And its not just the economics JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #20

True BainsBane Apr 2017 #21

Are not progressive ideals a prerequisite to be a progressive? LanternWaste Apr 2017 #82

reproductive rights is probably THE TOP issue when it comes to women's rights JI7 Apr 2017 #10

Indeed. How can anyone call an anti-choice dem a "progressive" Cha Apr 2017 #19

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2017 #22

I just got a hide on this issue so am gunshy GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #23

All good questions about the future, based on past behaviors, NOT the past primary Hekate Apr 2017 #25

That is what I am hoping. BainsBane Apr 2017 #26

Someone didn't get it Hekate Apr 2017 #27

Everyone, except GOP fascists, are pro life elmac Apr 2017 #30

I think you mean pro-choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #33

Keeping ones mouth shut is not best BainsBane Apr 2017 #35

I think it's fine to be pro life as long as you don't impose your beliefs on others. Kablooie Apr 2017 #34

The is how I feel abou t it, too. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2017 #56

i'm progressive and pro life, pro choice - barbtries Apr 2017 #37

They are "anti-choice" and we are Pro Choice.. Cha Apr 2017 #42

I totally agree with you. Pro-life fits pro-choice Democrats better than... WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #85

Some "progressives" are pro-gun... LexVegas Apr 2017 #38

Yes, well that's another issue BainsBane Apr 2017 #39

Letter sent quakerboy Apr 2017 #43

Awesome! BainsBane Apr 2017 #44

Meh. Thats baseline. quakerboy Apr 2017 #45

The term is "anti-choice." WinkyDink Apr 2017 #46

What are you going to do about the issue? BainsBane Apr 2017 #132

I agree with you. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #48

Will you contact Bernie on this? BainsBane Apr 2017 #100

He's not my Senator, nor am I a target of "Democratic Outreach" -already being a Democrat, but sure. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #130

You supported him BainsBane Apr 2017 #131

You cannot be antichoice and progressive Buckeyeblue Apr 2017 #49

Anti- choice, please, not pro-life lillypaddle Apr 2017 #50

A much more apt description Cha Apr 2017 #51

To a small an sad group it's an economics only equation. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #52

Tim Kaine (D-Va.), has expressed personal opposition to abortion rights Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #53

As has Biden, but they are also 100% pro choice obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #60

I'm surprised you think Kaine was pro-choice Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #66

"I strongly support the right of women to make their own health and reproductive decisions and... LexVegas Apr 2017 #112

Well back when he was Gov... Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #122

he gets mercuryblues Apr 2017 #135

Not until he got in the US Senate as Gov, he was anti-abortion as Gov (links included) Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #141

You are, of course, correct. Anyone saying otherwise has ulterior motives for doing so. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #114

Kaine is opposed to abortion RIGHTS? Or just to abortions? Can you clarify? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #65

Sure Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #67

Again... is he opposed to abortions or abortion RIGHTS? There's a difference. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #69

How did you miss it? Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #70

Let me ask it this way: Does Kaine want to outlaw abortion? (Yes or no.) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #74

I'm not getting that. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #77

Just like Mello Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #79

Nope. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #80

Your continued excuses that the rights of half the population BainsBane Apr 2017 #97

It's telling, isn't it? nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #117

It's a way to justify BainsBane Apr 2017 #126

BULLSHIT! Kaine protected abortion rights in VA as governor and as a Senator. FSogol Apr 2017 #78

Thank you! It's always good to have truthful information. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #84

Anytime. Those were the exact same smears that popped up when HRC picked Kaine to be her VP FSogol Apr 2017 #86

I believe that the smear was self-deleted for "strategic" reasons. Not because ... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #88

I don't even get why Kaine is being raised, JHan Apr 2017 #90

The go to when justifying questionable choices BainsBane Apr 2017 #106

whataboutisms and sophistries. JHan Apr 2017 #108

Major abortion rights groups and some of their allies on Capitol Hill are tip-toeing around.... Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #127

He is pro-choice. See my quote from Kaine above. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #113

Thank you very much! Unfortunately... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #115

That is not the same at all BainsBane Apr 2017 #92

I saw were Bernie sent out a tweet about too many cars all american girl Apr 2017 #54

Does he think that women's rights are negotiable? (It's a valid question.) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #55

It isn't a black and white issue and isn't the most important issue to many people... cbdo2007 Apr 2017 #57

Choice is 100% a black and white issue obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #62

See agree to disagree I guess. cbdo2007 Apr 2017 #89

Because one does not understand that reproductive freedom is necessary for economic justice Recursion Apr 2017 #58

They can't -- an anti choicer cannot be a progressive obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #59

Or... someone who was a complete fraud. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #61

And also that!!! obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #63

I've wrestled with that question my whole adult life. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #64

I agree completely. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #68

K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #71

Abortion rights are not a wedge issue mcar Apr 2017 #73

How often does he side with the states Chamber of Commerce and Industry? NCTraveler Apr 2017 #76

Sanders lacks any political instincts. It's okay, he's an outsider. randome Apr 2017 #81

Not progressive get the red out Apr 2017 #83

A pro-choice agenda goes nowhere cheapdate Apr 2017 #87

I don't think that's possible. MineralMan Apr 2017 #91

I counter that with: How can someone drive a Prius with a Trump bumper sticker? Initech Apr 2017 #95

This isn't about random oddities BainsBane Apr 2017 #98

Easy Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #96

That is not Mello's record BainsBane Apr 2017 #99

(I call it Anti-choice, not pro-life.) You can't -- and I'm disappointed in Bernie! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #101

Great question Cary Apr 2017 #102

When you seek to curtail or end reproductive rights... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #103

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #104

I was pointed here by a respose to an OP of mine by the author of this one. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #105

I'll respond later BainsBane Apr 2017 #123

Better subject, "How can one claim to be a progressive while not being pro choice?" LAS14 Apr 2017 #107

I posted this OP for a very specific purpose BainsBane Apr 2017 #110

???? I simply asked that we all use one of two.... LAS14 Apr 2017 #119

And I asked you to pay attention to women's rights BainsBane Apr 2017 #124

How do I refuse to do so? I just want people to say.... LAS14 Apr 2017 #125

I agree that "pro-life" is a lie. What they really are is "anti-choice" and "anti-woman". athena Apr 2017 #137

Thanks for re-stating so well!! nt LAS14 Apr 2017 #143

LAS14 is just objecting to the word "pro-life". athena Apr 2017 #136

THANK YOU, BB niyad Apr 2017 #109

Suppose they are consistent loyalsister Apr 2017 #120

Thank you Bains. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #128

By "Pro-Life" you mean "anti-abortion", not someone wanting to outlaw the death penalty, or ColemanMaskell Apr 2017 #129

Exactly. But it's not even "anti-abortion"; it's "anti-choice" and "anti-woman". athena Apr 2017 #138

Fair enough BainsBane Apr 2017 #140

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #139

Ask Nancy Pelosi. QC Apr 2017 #144

The DNC has decided otherwise BainsBane Apr 2017 #145

You're not disappointing me. QC Apr 2017 #146

How interesting (NOT) that a right-leaning blog didn't post Rep Pelosi's ENTIRE comment: musette_sf Apr 2017 #148

No. roamer65 Apr 2017 #147