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In reply to the discussion: Progressivism is NOT just about economic rights. [View all]lies
(315 posts)I don't think you're progressive if you support policies which result in as many people dying at the end of a gun every 4-5 weeks as did on 9/11.
But Democrats don't agree.
I can either NOT vote for a single Democrat - or in fact any US politician - or accept that in some respects I have to choose from candidates that I don't agree with on everything.
To you, progressive means one thing, but the people you'd support don't match my ideals.
So am I wrong automatically?
Or...?
Everyone is focused on women's reproductive rights, and that's good, but I'd also wonder if this specific argument would even be occurring right now if Sanders wasn't involved?
For example, I don't remember endless threads trashing the beliefs of these Democrats:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_for_Life_of_America#Pro-life_Democrats_in_recent_elections
And of course that's just a partial list of the endless number of pro-life Democrats over the years.
Another example is this sort of language from Hillary Clinton, remember her?
"In her 2008 presidential run, Hillary Clinton said abortion should be safe, legal and rare, and by rare, I mean rare. Abortion should not in any way be diminished as a moral issue, she added.
From that same article:
"In a 2015 CNN poll, Democrats' views on abortion ranged across: "legal under any circumstances" (48 percent), "legal under most circumstances" (19 percent), "legal under certain circumstances" (22 percent) and "illegal in all circumstances" (9 percent)."
So that's 10% of Dems that want it to be illegal. And another 20% that want access to abortion curtailed in some circumstances.
That's not my opinion, btw.
So what can be done?
Tell 30% of Dems to get over it?
And on and on...
I'm 100% pro-choice, but I know what it's like to have a minority opinion about an issue critical to me... no one cares about my opinion and I just get on with it. Democrats need to decide if they're going to have a big tent, or if they're basically a series of purity tests... I for one would love them to stop taking money from corporations and lobbyists, but that won't happen. I would love them to fight back against the mistaken notion that guns are a right, but they won't. I'd love them to have a different foriegn policy than Republicans, but they don't and won't
So I, and many others, vote for the best we can get.