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CaptJasHook

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28. You can't look at Presidential politics for your answer.

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:38 AM

Jul 2012

US politics operates on multiple levels because our electorate votes at multiple levels.

Congressional politics are were you usually see a wider difference between candidates. And if you take it to the local level you will see even greater differences.

At the presidential level, candidates on not trying to win the votes of the left or the right. They are trying to win the votes of the small percentages of undecided voters in swing states. That is why they hide their positions so much. They need to be in the middle. What you look at is actions and regardless of what the media is trying to tell you, Obama has moved forward on Progressive issues and continues to do so.

Lillie Ledbetter. Check
ACA. Not single payer, but progress. Check
Withdrawal from Iraq. Check
Upcoming withdrawal from Afghanistan. Check
Support of marriage equality. Check
Financial, real Support of Auto Industry and Alternative energy. Check
Holding fast on no taxes for the middle class. Check
Continuous stream of (failed) legislation and rhetoric to raise taxes on the 1%. Check

If you can't see the difference, you need to step back from presidential politics and look past the media for your research.

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This is just my opinion... [View all] kentuck Jul 2012 OP

I agree.... vi5 Jul 2012 #1

Yes, it is largely how the issues were framed... rfranklin Jul 2012 #2

Or a similar example of that... JHB Jul 2012 #6

+1, I read somewhere Luntz et al are MASTERS at framing to get out conservative emotions.... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #21

Agree ewagner Jul 2012 #3

so you have your personal view about the differences, but I strongly disagree bigtree Jul 2012 #4

I think the present reality proves you wrong. kentuck Jul 2012 #7

dude bigtree Jul 2012 #10

I disagree with your politics. kentuck Jul 2012 #47

I admire your patience. Kaleko Jul 2012 #52

Questioning the motives of folks who answer your posts isn't 'patience' bigtree Jul 2012 #60

so you make another smart ass assumption bigtree Jul 2012 #59

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #61

still attacking bigtree Jul 2012 #63

My post says, "This is just my opinion..." kentuck Jul 2012 #64

I didn't attack you at all, I said I disagreed. bigtree Jul 2012 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #68

"This is just my opinion-- XXX is an asshat." Yet for some reason, XXX got mad... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #74

Most of todays dems Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #27

Yes but only on things that don't matter to the 1% zeemike Jul 2012 #11

well, that's pretty much how most folks operate in real life bigtree Jul 2012 #13

Oh it is definitely the influence of the media... zeemike Jul 2012 #29

People like being told what to think, what to feel. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #37

+1 freshwest Jul 2012 #38

So true. zeemike Jul 2012 #43

I think you are right, in a public context Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #5

The Republicans think that, too. That's why they don't like Romney. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #8

ACA was originally called "ROMNEYCARE", when it was first implemented in Mass, though. Romulox Jul 2012 #23

Yep spot on /nt jimlup Jul 2012 #9

I agree deutsey Jul 2012 #12

I keep looking for a concrete list canoeist52 Jul 2012 #14

Yes, we can pick up a lot more votes by moving left than (further) right. Scuba Jul 2012 #15

The undecided voter is in the middle unfortunately flamingdem Jul 2012 #67

A full 40% of the electorate sits on their hands during a PRESIDENTIAL election... Scuba Jul 2012 #69

Well since neither side will do that - flamingdem Jul 2012 #71

And we enable them when we don't demand they refute the lies and move left. Scuba Jul 2012 #73

IF we retake the house and win the senate + Potus flamingdem Jul 2012 #75

Republicans stay on message. Always. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #16

Obamney care some clever DUer called it yesterday! CrispyQ Jul 2012 #31

K&R. As you say, tax policies, defense spending, poverty, equality, human rights, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #17

Really? Do you think voters are guessing between rep and dems? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #18

Not the philosophical differences but what dems will stand up AGAINST and hollar loud about... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #20

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #19

Economic policy is nearly 1:1: Deregulation, "free trade", bank bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, Romulox Jul 2012 #22

We need a WPA style jobs program abelenkpe Jul 2012 #34

The DC Media needs to get out of DC too. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #24

K&R. I agree. Overseas Jul 2012 #25

Sad, but all too true.... Wounded Bear Jul 2012 #26

You can't look at Presidential politics for your answer. CaptJasHook Jul 2012 #28

+1.000 freshwest Jul 2012 #39

Perhaps, but I have a caution to this - the gulf between the informed and uninformed NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #30

Majority of people vote emotionally, not rationally or reasonably. harun Jul 2012 #32

Most Americans vote for the last and loudest commercial they see. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #77

I agree, and frogmarch Jul 2012 #33

I think the problem is that debate in this country is basically over conservative ideas Johonny Jul 2012 #35

Agreed. YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #46

'NAFTA on Steroids': The Trans-Pacific Partnership (Why didn't we know) CrispyQ Jul 2012 #36

+1 (nt) rbnyc Jul 2012 #55

It's 99% media saturation Doctor_J Jul 2012 #40

There is plenty of difference kctim Jul 2012 #41

Now Election Can't Encourage People. tofayel Jul 2012 #42

Politicians seek votes, and the money to get votes. Not ideals, honesty, or even decency. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #44

Capitalism or capitalism lite, basically. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #45

Starting to look more like fascism or fascism lite. nt whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #48

An opinion shared by many of us. 99Forever Jul 2012 #49

I agree. CanSocDem Jul 2012 #50

I agree the Dems have moved much closer to the Reps on many issues but ... Kablooie Jul 2012 #51

I think the philosophical difference is clearly defined. Democrats favor the working man while cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #53

Both parties have actually moved away from each other. joshcryer Jul 2012 #54

During election season. They know we have the memory of a brain damaged gnat. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #78

I agree too, totally. nt Raine Jul 2012 #56

It's the "play nice" problem Scootaloo Jul 2012 #57

Poll: Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #58

Social and economic dtom67 Jul 2012 #62

I disagree fervently flamingdem Jul 2012 #66

How very classy. Have the OP banned from his own thread and then continue your rant. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #70

I think that would help in some ways - hurt in some other ways hfojvt Jul 2012 #72

this is largely what I've been saying since 2000.... mike_c Jul 2012 #76

As usual, Chomsky nails it: coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #79

� Of course ! Kaleko Jul 2012 #80