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TygrBright

(21,375 posts)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 01:17 AM Apr 2017

A dinner conversation that's still bothering me. [View all]

We were dining out with friends tonight. One of them has been paying attention to media coverage focused on the "why" of white, low-income people who voted for >redacted<.

She told the story of a Louisiana >redacted< voter who was spending time in Yerp, where they don't have "real" news, like, yanno, Faux. And most of what they have is in furrin' language, so her only choice for teevee news was, apparently, the Yerpeen CNN service.

The >redacted< voter had just never seen anything like it. That Christiane Amanpour woman was doing a segment on the famine in Africa. She had a little African kid, rake-skinny, bloat-bellied, dull-eyed, sitting next to her while she recounted the terrible conditions in the famine zones and how many Africans were affected.

The >redacted< voter's take on this?

That Christiane Amanpour was trying to make HER, the >redacted< voter, FEEL GUILTY about the famine. Like the famine was somehow on HER, the >redacted< voter, and it was somehow up to HER, the >redacted< voter, to feel bad and do something about it, with HER hard-earned money that she needed to help HER family and HER relatives who were terribly victimized by the bad unfair system in America that only helps undeserving welfare people and not people like her and her family.

And this friend, the one who was recounting this to me, said that the coverage she'd seen of people like this woman, and the terrible economic conditions in Louisiana, and their 'unique' culture, and the generational poverty they struggle with, and the devastation of their environment and everything, well... it doesn't EXCUSE their woolhat assholery, but it kinda made it, yanno, understandable.

And that just pushed my button.

"Look," I said, "my Dad's family were 'Cadian. Sure, Minnesota French Canuck, but that's 'Cadian, we had oyster stew for Christmas dinner and frog leg fries for 4th of July, and my Dad's Gran'mere spoke 'Becoise more than English. Don't tell me it's the culture.

And we were poor. After he got out of the Marines my Dad had a hard time holding a good job. We scraped. My Mom had to work, in an era when women didn't do that much.

We wore hand-me-downs. We had "cowboy hash" for dinner all too often (Mom used to call leftovers baked in a casserole with lima beans and tomato soup "cowboy hash" to get us to eat it.) We got socks and coloring books for Christmas some years, not the cool toys. We brought sack lunches of baloney or peanut butter, or went home to eat canned soup for lunch.

But here's the thing. Each one of us kids was given a piggy bank. And there was a bigger piggy bank on the sideboard. The 'rents put their spare change in that one. We were supposed to put at least a nickel from every allowance in ours, plus "found" pennies and any other money we could.

And a couple of times a year, we'd empty those piggy banks, and send the money to help kids who were... wait for it... yep, starving in Africa.

So, no. It's not understandable to me."

And it's still not.

But it makes me wonder: When did that stuff change? And how? At what level, did it stop being important for good parents to teach their kids about compassion, empathy, and connection with other parts of the world?

WTF?

uncomprehendingly,
Bright

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Very difficult cross-currents in this culture. elleng Apr 2017 #1
'Cadian? It's no more idiosyncratic than many others. TygrBright Apr 2017 #2
U.S. 'culture' was what I meant. elleng Apr 2017 #3
ah, okay. Thanks. TygrBright Apr 2017 #4
I grew up eating frog legs in summer Warpy Apr 2017 #8
Wow... you just reminded me... TygrBright Apr 2017 #9
Interesting to link it to women needing to work sharedvalues Apr 2017 #42
It's what I saw. It's sort of the original wedge issue Warpy Apr 2017 #45
Europe gets child care and maternity leave right. HRC wanted to improve it too. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #47
Expect men to fight it tooth and nail Warpy Apr 2017 #48
I'm a man and I'm on-board - and I think you'll be surprised by this generation sharedvalues Apr 2017 #49
DU men are reasonably enlightened Warpy Apr 2017 #50
I see it really strongly in childcare and splitting duties sharedvalues Apr 2017 #53
I beg to differ somewhat. Stonepounder Apr 2017 #7
You have nailed it. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #15
Depends on the era - my grandpa was first generation born in the US nadine_mn Apr 2017 #20
My Grandma wasn't actually an immigrant, she was a Luz Apr 2017 #22
I simply do not know, Bright. Any 19th-early 20th century American novel, just about... Hekate Apr 2017 #5
My grandmother was loved by the Italian immigrants in her town treestar Apr 2017 #31
Interesting to link it to churches who say poverty is deserved sharedvalues Apr 2017 #43
You captured it perfectly wryter2000 Apr 2017 #6
I will tell you how this happened. An entire generation of Americans PatrickforO Apr 2017 #10
Right. It will take years of resistance to turn this around and dig ourselves out. elleng Apr 2017 #12
Excellent post world wide wally Apr 2017 #14
This is one of the best synopis that I have ever read of "how we got here". annabanana Apr 2017 #33
Remember how thoroughly she was excoriated for saying it? But it was thr truth. Hekate Apr 2017 #51
thank you for this well written expose. drray23 Apr 2017 #34
I did. You know, the better we can articulate this stuff, the more people PatrickforO Apr 2017 #35
Excellent, Patrick. I went for just one small slice. Hekate Apr 2017 #52
Well-put. Piketty "Capital in the 21st Century" is another good addition sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54
I believe everything changed with the presidency of Ronald Reagan - IndianaDave Apr 2017 #11
Yes. It was with Ronald Reagan that things to a sharp turn to the worse. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #17
Nice post concerning PATCO. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #37
+1 treestar Apr 2017 #32
Reagan was a traitor who should have been jailed on Iran hostages sharedvalues Apr 2017 #44
Ive been thinking about stuff like this lately and can only come to one conslusion world wide wally Apr 2017 #13
The American people didn't put Bush into office; the Supreme Court raccoon Apr 2017 #21
You have exactly identified the problem vlyons Apr 2017 #16
Here in Yerp DFW Apr 2017 #18
Yes, the US media is the problem. Well put. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #46
The white low income voters you're referencing PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #19
What a great thread this is! Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #23
Totally agree druidity33 Apr 2017 #24
I know what you mean. It reminds me of the hardening ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #25
Really nice post malaise Apr 2017 #26
Fox and other right wing media brainwashed people like your friend to become uncaring and cruel kimbutgar Apr 2017 #27
The Republican Anthem HopeAgain Apr 2017 #28
There's two really awesome books about how we can better frame PatrickforO Apr 2017 #38
Thanks! HopeAgain Apr 2017 #40
Your post does an excellent job of illuminating contrasting values and ethics. yardwork Apr 2017 #29
Just like our family in Wisconsin circa 1951-1969 jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #30
Lmao retrowire Apr 2017 #36
I blame Ayn Rand. MicaelS Apr 2017 #39
Also seems like a self-obsessed distortion of Christianity, or Puritanism. JudyM Apr 2017 #41
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