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DFW

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18. Here in Yerp
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:49 AM
Apr 2017

We still have some restrictions on what passes back home for "freedom of speech."

Here in Germany, Nazi propaganda or anything that gets too uncomfortably close to it is not allowed. Fox Noise does not have a German language operation. There is a reason for that. Openly denying the Holocaust is actually on the books as a crime (in Austria, too). There is a reason for that, too. Raise a generation of kids who believe it never happened, and you give the mind-set that let it happen the first time a chance at a repeat performance. Today's Germany is a bastion of pacifism, and is as reluctant to get involved in a war as the generation of 1939 was eager to. Neo-Nazis exist here, but are a tiny minority looked down upon by society. We see video clips of Trump supporters in Berkeley beating up women, identified and not arrested. That is NOT what we want here. One Kristallnacht was enough, thank you very much.

Don't get me wrong, it's not paradise here as some choose to believe. The bureaucracy is crushing, and you need ever-increasing paperwork by an overbearing, corrupt state apparatus that thinks it has to know everything about you while enriching its "officials" at the expense of overburdened taxpayers. Stalin meets high tech.

But in between all that, the do manage to teach compassion and internationalism here. High school kids are encouraged to take a year abroad. Anywhere, as long as it's a different country. Neighboring France or far off New Zealand, it doesn't matter. Just get OUT of here and meet people who speak another language and think differently. Live with them, learn from them. No one nation is alone here. "Making America great again" is just as much a fantasy as "Juche" is.

The USA is not devoid of people who think like this. At age 16, I had the chance to get out of my stifling high school and participate in a (then-experimental) program to send a couple dozen high school kids for a year abroad to either France or "Spain (actually Catalunya)." Catalan was still forbidden in schools when I went, so there was no danger of us getting linguistically distracted in school. Outside, of course, everyone still spoke Catalan, and we all learned it to some degree. I soaked it up like a sponge, and still run down to Barcelona maybe once a month even today.

We sent our girls off to study for at least a semester in an exotic foreign land (the USA), and they profited immensely from the experience, as I did in Spain. Both ended up in college there. One stayed (she found a job in her field there), the other did not (she found a job back here in Germany and moved back). One did a summer stint with the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone for the summer instead of clerking for some judge, as law school students are expected to do. We tried to teach them there's nothing they couldn't do, and they seem to believe it. One brashly put in for partner in her big international law firm and was accepted--youngest partner ever at age 31 (figured if she could survive Sierra Leone, she could surely do this).

All this was possible, at least in part, because media as propaganda organ here was used to prop up some evil regimes in the past, and the people here do not want it again. We see Putin and Erdoğan harassing, arresting, even having thugs murder journalists. Even in the States now, the man posing as president calls any journalist critical of him "fake news." No wonder he admires Putin and Erdoğan so much. He's their wannabe. Read Göring's statement from his jail cell at Nürnberg. The people don't want war, so you have to convince them that there is an enemy out there that must be fought. To do that, you need to control the media. Whether it's done by State take-over, by intimidation or by money, it's the same goal: control what the masses think. Convince people in Louisiana (or anywhere else, for that matter) that those starving children in South Sudan are not poor helpless wretches but their enemies, and you'll have them telling you why it's in America's best interest should let them starve.

Something else Göring observed (correctly, in my opinion): when he said people don't want war, he made sure he said it was the same in any country, whether a democracy, under communism or in a fascist dictatorship. In all cases the people must be made to want it by artificially shaping their opinion, giving them an enemy they need to fight for some reason. This is why I reject arguments that need to use the words "corporate" a dozen times and blame capitalism. ANY country, ANY system can start a war if their media manipulates their opinion to the point where they think it's a good idea. The Germans were convinced that the attack on Poland was necessary in 1939. The Russians were convinced that attacks on Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 were necessary to defeat danger to "socialism." The USA, despite huge domestic opposition, got into conflicts in Vietnam and Iraq, and was even convinced to close at least one of its eyes while Reagan invaded Grenada (of all places!) and Panama. If the ruling elite want it, there's a good chance they'll get it. Like George Carlin said, they're a club, and we're not in it--at all, at all, at all.

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Very difficult cross-currents in this culture. elleng Apr 2017 #1
'Cadian? It's no more idiosyncratic than many others. TygrBright Apr 2017 #2
U.S. 'culture' was what I meant. elleng Apr 2017 #3
ah, okay. Thanks. TygrBright Apr 2017 #4
I grew up eating frog legs in summer Warpy Apr 2017 #8
Wow... you just reminded me... TygrBright Apr 2017 #9
Interesting to link it to women needing to work sharedvalues Apr 2017 #42
It's what I saw. It's sort of the original wedge issue Warpy Apr 2017 #45
Europe gets child care and maternity leave right. HRC wanted to improve it too. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #47
Expect men to fight it tooth and nail Warpy Apr 2017 #48
I'm a man and I'm on-board - and I think you'll be surprised by this generation sharedvalues Apr 2017 #49
DU men are reasonably enlightened Warpy Apr 2017 #50
I see it really strongly in childcare and splitting duties sharedvalues Apr 2017 #53
I beg to differ somewhat. Stonepounder Apr 2017 #7
You have nailed it. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #15
Depends on the era - my grandpa was first generation born in the US nadine_mn Apr 2017 #20
My Grandma wasn't actually an immigrant, she was a Luz Apr 2017 #22
I simply do not know, Bright. Any 19th-early 20th century American novel, just about... Hekate Apr 2017 #5
My grandmother was loved by the Italian immigrants in her town treestar Apr 2017 #31
Interesting to link it to churches who say poverty is deserved sharedvalues Apr 2017 #43
You captured it perfectly wryter2000 Apr 2017 #6
I will tell you how this happened. An entire generation of Americans PatrickforO Apr 2017 #10
Right. It will take years of resistance to turn this around and dig ourselves out. elleng Apr 2017 #12
Excellent post world wide wally Apr 2017 #14
This is one of the best synopis that I have ever read of "how we got here". annabanana Apr 2017 #33
Remember how thoroughly she was excoriated for saying it? But it was thr truth. Hekate Apr 2017 #51
thank you for this well written expose. drray23 Apr 2017 #34
I did. You know, the better we can articulate this stuff, the more people PatrickforO Apr 2017 #35
Excellent, Patrick. I went for just one small slice. Hekate Apr 2017 #52
Well-put. Piketty "Capital in the 21st Century" is another good addition sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54
I believe everything changed with the presidency of Ronald Reagan - IndianaDave Apr 2017 #11
Yes. It was with Ronald Reagan that things to a sharp turn to the worse. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #17
Nice post concerning PATCO. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #37
+1 treestar Apr 2017 #32
Reagan was a traitor who should have been jailed on Iran hostages sharedvalues Apr 2017 #44
Ive been thinking about stuff like this lately and can only come to one conslusion world wide wally Apr 2017 #13
The American people didn't put Bush into office; the Supreme Court raccoon Apr 2017 #21
You have exactly identified the problem vlyons Apr 2017 #16
Here in Yerp DFW Apr 2017 #18
Yes, the US media is the problem. Well put. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #46
The white low income voters you're referencing PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #19
What a great thread this is! Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #23
Totally agree druidity33 Apr 2017 #24
I know what you mean. It reminds me of the hardening ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #25
Really nice post malaise Apr 2017 #26
Fox and other right wing media brainwashed people like your friend to become uncaring and cruel kimbutgar Apr 2017 #27
The Republican Anthem HopeAgain Apr 2017 #28
There's two really awesome books about how we can better frame PatrickforO Apr 2017 #38
Thanks! HopeAgain Apr 2017 #40
Your post does an excellent job of illuminating contrasting values and ethics. yardwork Apr 2017 #29
Just like our family in Wisconsin circa 1951-1969 jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #30
Lmao retrowire Apr 2017 #36
I blame Ayn Rand. MicaelS Apr 2017 #39
Also seems like a self-obsessed distortion of Christianity, or Puritanism. JudyM Apr 2017 #41
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