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PoindexterOglethorpe

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19. The white low income voters you're referencing
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:06 AM
Apr 2017

have no sense at all that they are part of a larger community. Their notion of community is simply those people they personally know. No one else matters. And so poverty in another part of the world, or even another part of the country, simply doesn't connect or matter to them.

I went to Catholic school for kindergarten and first grade. We collected money, pennies and nickels mostly, and when we'd collected a total of five dollars it went off to Africa to baptize some poor African child. We actually got to choose a name for that newly baptized African child. And while as an adult I'm horrified at the white colonial ignorant privilege exemplified, I will say that it made me very aware of a world totally outside my own, one that I needed to be in some part responsible for.

So my point is that such sensibilities were not universal. Not everyone grew up in a milieu that made them understand that there are others out there who are vastly less privileged, who might need support and special help. Most people grow up in a milieu that excludes the other.

Here's my best example: some years ago, in the early days of the internet, on a bulletin board a man who taught at the University of Pittsburgh posted about his experiences teaching there. He said that many of his students were the first ever in their families to attend college. Many of them had grown up in severely limited experiences. He mentioned that many of them were unwilling to venture beyond the very narrow and constricted geographical area they'd grown up in. They honestly didn't think they could find a McDonald's or a WalMart outside their area. He also talked about a young woman in one of his classes who honestly did not think that Japanese people had existed before WWII. She somehow thought that they'd come into existence right before the war.

I've since met that man and talked about these things with him, and he remains bemused, nearly a quarter of a century later, by the insularity of his students. And yet he understands them.

Similarly, a decade or so ago, on a visit to Ann Arbor, MI, my husband fell into conversation with a woman who taught high school in a community about thirty miles away. According to her, there were still many unpaved roads there, and most of her students had never left the county they'd been born in.

Those of us who post here are, in comparison, extremely worldly, well travelled, and sophisticated. Even with the limitations of our childhoods ("cowboy hash", socks and coloring books for Christmas) we have moved far beyond those limitations, often with the encouragement of our parents. We did not stay isolated, stuck in insular communities. But that's not true of everyone And even people who grow up or live in large cities can be isolated and insular. Quite frankly, people who live in NYC are often insular in mind-boggling ways. It can take a strong determination to break out of the restrictions of our origins, to open our minds to other ways of thinking, to embrace change.

Pretty much all of us on DU are open to new ideas, new ways of thinking, no matter how much we might disagree at times. We need to remember just how privileged we are in this respect.

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Very difficult cross-currents in this culture. elleng Apr 2017 #1
'Cadian? It's no more idiosyncratic than many others. TygrBright Apr 2017 #2
U.S. 'culture' was what I meant. elleng Apr 2017 #3
ah, okay. Thanks. TygrBright Apr 2017 #4
I grew up eating frog legs in summer Warpy Apr 2017 #8
Wow... you just reminded me... TygrBright Apr 2017 #9
Interesting to link it to women needing to work sharedvalues Apr 2017 #42
It's what I saw. It's sort of the original wedge issue Warpy Apr 2017 #45
Europe gets child care and maternity leave right. HRC wanted to improve it too. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #47
Expect men to fight it tooth and nail Warpy Apr 2017 #48
I'm a man and I'm on-board - and I think you'll be surprised by this generation sharedvalues Apr 2017 #49
DU men are reasonably enlightened Warpy Apr 2017 #50
I see it really strongly in childcare and splitting duties sharedvalues Apr 2017 #53
I beg to differ somewhat. Stonepounder Apr 2017 #7
You have nailed it. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #15
Depends on the era - my grandpa was first generation born in the US nadine_mn Apr 2017 #20
My Grandma wasn't actually an immigrant, she was a Luz Apr 2017 #22
I simply do not know, Bright. Any 19th-early 20th century American novel, just about... Hekate Apr 2017 #5
My grandmother was loved by the Italian immigrants in her town treestar Apr 2017 #31
Interesting to link it to churches who say poverty is deserved sharedvalues Apr 2017 #43
You captured it perfectly wryter2000 Apr 2017 #6
I will tell you how this happened. An entire generation of Americans PatrickforO Apr 2017 #10
Right. It will take years of resistance to turn this around and dig ourselves out. elleng Apr 2017 #12
Excellent post world wide wally Apr 2017 #14
This is one of the best synopis that I have ever read of "how we got here". annabanana Apr 2017 #33
Remember how thoroughly she was excoriated for saying it? But it was thr truth. Hekate Apr 2017 #51
thank you for this well written expose. drray23 Apr 2017 #34
I did. You know, the better we can articulate this stuff, the more people PatrickforO Apr 2017 #35
Excellent, Patrick. I went for just one small slice. Hekate Apr 2017 #52
Well-put. Piketty "Capital in the 21st Century" is another good addition sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54
I believe everything changed with the presidency of Ronald Reagan - IndianaDave Apr 2017 #11
Yes. It was with Ronald Reagan that things to a sharp turn to the worse. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #17
Nice post concerning PATCO. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #37
+1 treestar Apr 2017 #32
Reagan was a traitor who should have been jailed on Iran hostages sharedvalues Apr 2017 #44
Ive been thinking about stuff like this lately and can only come to one conslusion world wide wally Apr 2017 #13
The American people didn't put Bush into office; the Supreme Court raccoon Apr 2017 #21
You have exactly identified the problem vlyons Apr 2017 #16
Here in Yerp DFW Apr 2017 #18
Yes, the US media is the problem. Well put. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #46
The white low income voters you're referencing PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #19
What a great thread this is! Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #23
Totally agree druidity33 Apr 2017 #24
I know what you mean. It reminds me of the hardening ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #25
Really nice post malaise Apr 2017 #26
Fox and other right wing media brainwashed people like your friend to become uncaring and cruel kimbutgar Apr 2017 #27
The Republican Anthem HopeAgain Apr 2017 #28
There's two really awesome books about how we can better frame PatrickforO Apr 2017 #38
Thanks! HopeAgain Apr 2017 #40
Your post does an excellent job of illuminating contrasting values and ethics. yardwork Apr 2017 #29
Just like our family in Wisconsin circa 1951-1969 jodymarie aimee Apr 2017 #30
Lmao retrowire Apr 2017 #36
I blame Ayn Rand. MicaelS Apr 2017 #39
Also seems like a self-obsessed distortion of Christianity, or Puritanism. JudyM Apr 2017 #41
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