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Thomas Hurt

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15. No one ideology is going to "save" the US

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:46 PM

Apr 2017

ideologies are the creation of fallible humans and implemented by fallible humans.

They are all inevitably subject to corruption.

we should take what works from conservative, progressive, liberal, socialist ideologies.

Otherwise, we end up like communists, who sought party and ideological purity and only got totalitarianism and corruption. Putin being the bastardized results of their ideological myopia.

FF45 thinks he is going to fix the US with his ideological scams and failed conservative gimmicks while trying to scrub the government and society of the left.

If he succeeds we will be living in a christofascist theocracy. What he has bought so far is already rotten with corruption to its core.

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How many DUers would vote for a Democratic Socialist? [View all] kentuck Apr 2017 OP

I would vote for a social democrat JHan Apr 2017 #1

Me too. n/t MicaelS Apr 2017 #5

I really think the Scandinavians have it best.. JHan Apr 2017 #10

Again, I agree. MicaelS Apr 2017 #18

yep ++++ JHan Apr 2017 #20

Yes, that seemed to work very well for the social Republicans. kentuck Apr 2017 #6

The model I describe is the Scandinavian model. JHan Apr 2017 #8

So, that means we need to change..? kentuck Apr 2017 #16

within our framework. JHan Apr 2017 #19

now seeing your edit: JHan Apr 2017 #25

A very important distinction. One describes the DEMOCRAT, and the other describes the SOCIALIST. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #14

just for clarity... Is mello a Democrat, cuz there's a lot of bad feeling going around about JCanete Apr 2017 #53

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #54

oops, didn't mean to stump you...actually it wasn't a gotcha, but if you are going to make such JCanete Apr 2017 #93

post delete...wrong place JCanete Apr 2017 #92

You broke into my head GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #35

Ditto, & second that onetexan Apr 2017 #41

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #48

Do some reading, and no I was not referencing a certain former nominee. JHan Apr 2017 #49

Socialists don't believe means of production should be controlled by government Kentonio Apr 2017 #59

this lays out the difference. JHan Apr 2017 #61

There is no difference between a Social Democrat and a Democratic Socialist. kentuck Apr 2017 #62

Btw just edited my comment to explain it a little better. JHan Apr 2017 #64

There is nothing "democratic" about such governments. kentuck Apr 2017 #65

I still think we need to get the taxonomy correct.. JHan Apr 2017 #66

That definition isn't very good IMO. kristopher Apr 2017 #80

I would Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #2

While this is true, Sanders is proof that times have changed DemocraticSocialist8 Apr 2017 #22

That isn't proved at all. Polling is relatively unchanged in the last 30 years. stevenleser Apr 2017 #30

Where's your data for that, please? JudyM Apr 2017 #47

See my post #69 below and those 4 links are a small sample stevenleser Apr 2017 #70

Whopper truthaddict247 Apr 2017 #51

Hilarious that you claim that. I had been quoting stats throughout the last two years stevenleser Apr 2017 #69

Your 2nd link is dead, and all this is from a year ago. It'd be interesting to see something current JudyM Apr 2017 #72

Fixed the second link. And those polls are better than current. stevenleser Apr 2017 #74

I doubt it has gone down. People's eyes are a bit more open since 1/21 plus last year's 17 year olds JudyM Apr 2017 #77

Their eyes went in the opposite direction towards the extreme right. stevenleser Apr 2017 #78

Conjecture. We'll find out whenever new polls come out. JudyM Apr 2017 #79

Not conjecture. We have the election results. That's data. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #81

I don't agree when all was said and done. Sen. Sanders was not the candidate. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #57

The country is currently based on a two party system. Third party's are spoilers. Until that still_one Apr 2017 #3

I'd vote 4 a goat before a republican. Cattledog Apr 2017 #4

So's the blue lint between your toes when you take your socks off Warpy Apr 2017 #9

I voted Socialist Workers Party back in Boston Warpy Apr 2017 #7

Me Hayduke Bomgarte Apr 2017 #11

Me. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #12

Wish I could have... BUT NO ghostsinthemachine Apr 2017 #13

No one ideology is going to "save" the US Thomas Hurt Apr 2017 #15

Thoughtful. kentuck Apr 2017 #17

Spot on.... paleotn Apr 2017 #43

Yes, except I don't believe he thinks (much ever, but ...) he's moonscape Apr 2017 #75

You see my name? LOL DemocraticSocialist8 Apr 2017 #21

i will never vote for a Republican i dont care if we are running daffy duck as a dem...however... samnsara Apr 2017 #23

In a NY minute sellitman Apr 2017 #24

Hell, yeah! Kath2 Apr 2017 #26

plus one demigoddess Apr 2017 #28

Birth control and abortion are health care. Kath2 Apr 2017 #33

sorry, at my age, they are separate demigoddess Apr 2017 #50

It would be a very rare situation where I would not vote for a Democrat cheapdate Apr 2017 #27

Only if there were no Democrat in the race Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #29

I'd vote for a dead dog if it were running against a Republican, so maybe I'm not a good standard. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #31

I do not vote for 3rd party candidates in a 2 party system. Period. Hekate Apr 2017 #32

How many DUers would vote for a Democratic Socialist? I already did. Iggo Apr 2017 #34

Me Break time Apr 2017 #36

If that person ran in the primaries and won the MineralMan Apr 2017 #37

How many DUers think you can fit people into simplistic two-word castegories? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #38

In the eye of the beholder.... MedusaX Apr 2017 #39

+1000 paleotn Apr 2017 #44

I agree Medusa. Thank you saidsimplesimon Apr 2017 #83

I would IF BainsBane Apr 2017 #40

Me and my entire family onecaliberal Apr 2017 #42

I would vote for a dog turd before a republicant Union Label Apr 2017 #45

It depends... paleotn Apr 2017 #46

Of course, if they were committed to bringing in a diverse coalition. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #55

I would not vote for an independent Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #56

If general election maybe for local, if Democratic Party nominee otherwise, yes. we can do it Apr 2017 #58

I'm more interested in record and stances than labels. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #60

Yes of course Dem2 Apr 2017 #63

If they're the right Independent, sure. moriah Apr 2017 #67

It would depend. Most likely no. stevenleser Apr 2017 #68

Interesting... kentuck Apr 2017 #71

If someone like Bernie gets nominated or wins an election, I will occupy the space that stevenleser Apr 2017 #73

Not that it matters, but why should I believe you? ret5hd Apr 2017 #84

Who are you that I should care whether you believe me or not? nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #85

Absolutely nobody. Who are you? ret5hd Apr 2017 #86

I don't disagree with you. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #87

Ahhh yes...but the real question is "Do you drink with me?" ret5hd Apr 2017 #89

Yes! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2017 #76

Obviously I would mvd Apr 2017 #82

I've done so several times malaise Apr 2017 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #90

Always and gladly. alarimer Apr 2017 #91