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pnwmom

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59. I see Bernie offering mostly criticism of the Dems. It isn't fair to expect us

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:03 PM

Apr 2017

not to answer him and his supporters when we're constantly being told he's right and the party is wrong.

Hillary supported free college tuition (the same program Bernie just introduced in Congress -- her version, not his), the $15 minimum wage, improvements to Obamacare, and full funding for Social Security. It wasn't her progressive policies that caused her loss -- and in fact she won by almost 3 million votes.

She lost because of James Comey's 2 letter bombs, which brought her support from 6% above DT's to only 3%. And then she lost by 2.1% -- well within the last poll's margin of error. And without voter suppression and Russian interference, her margin would have been even greater.

She did NOT lose because she wasn't progressive enough. That's just BS.

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It's not about Bernie. It's about the way he wants to change the party. [View all] DanTex Apr 2017 OP

Don't we have enough Bernie posts? Active measures much? Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #1

This post is not about Bernie. It's about the way he wants to change the party. DanTex Apr 2017 #2

Bernie can start by becoming a democrat... Blanks Apr 2017 #33

Why? Magoo48 Apr 2017 #74

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #46

Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #47

There must be some REAL MAGIC Plucketeer Apr 2017 #72

Really makes you wonder about the intentions of these posters. panader0 Apr 2017 #4

Doubt DanTex is a GOP troll. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #10

Agree with you. panader0 Apr 2017 #14

Agreed. Focus on what YOU want to do to HELP sharedvalues Apr 2017 #39

Yes. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #86

Yup. It's more than coincidence. Everyone suddenly on the bandwagon. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #15

the enemy is the republican party Equinox Moon Apr 2017 #19

Remind Bernie of that, please... NT Adrahil Apr 2017 #25

The intention is that he's a Democrat who's supporting the base of the Democratic party -- pnwmom Apr 2017 #61

Well Dan has been a member since 2002 Chevy Apr 2017 #7

And he posts at least one Bernie post a day sharedvalues Apr 2017 #37

I see Bernie offering mostly criticism of the Dems. It isn't fair to expect us pnwmom Apr 2017 #59

Maybe if the Senator Chevy Apr 2017 #60

Now that DanTex has weighed in, maybe so. He said something that needed to be said pnwmom Apr 2017 #56

you did a much better job than I did trying to say the same thing dsc Apr 2017 #3

If it's not about Bernie, they why mention him? Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #5

Because he is leading the charge to transform the party in a economic-over-social manner. DanTex Apr 2017 #6

Dan, what exactly is he doing? kstewart33 Apr 2017 #53

because he is the leader of the faction of the party which wants this change dsc Apr 2017 #8

That wouldn't have the desired effect. QC Apr 2017 #29

Kind of my point. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #42

Excellent post! athena Apr 2017 #9

Now you're complaining about "change." Warpy Apr 2017 #11

Change can be either good or bad. DanTex Apr 2017 #17

Splitting a large segment of the party off by continued harassment Warpy Apr 2017 #52

Sorry we will not accept change that sacrifices rights for women and POC. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #88

Now THAT is part of the change I'm hoping for Warpy Apr 2017 #91

No we disagree on that. I would always vote for the Democrat. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #93

I look at the race Warpy Apr 2017 #94

The Republican would be way more likely to harass women. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #95

I think she's prochoice. Warpy Apr 2017 #98

Hmmm...I still would vote for the Dem...Republicans are bad about school, Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #104

I would not vote Republican Warpy Apr 2017 #105

We support positive change; we don't support negative change delisen Apr 2017 #101

Well, duh Warpy Apr 2017 #103

Should he, or should he not support democrats running for office? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #12

I would vote for the guy if I lived in his city. Always vote for the Democrat. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89

Great post. But I give not one shit what Bernie says about the Democratic Party until... LuvLoogie Apr 2017 #13

Bingo. nt kstewart33 Apr 2017 #49

The Democratic Party purports to be the "party of the people" alarimer Apr 2017 #16

Sorry...that is nonsense...the only progressive achievements are provided by the Democratic Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90

I think you are wrong. PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #18

No, he is not "100% committed" to social issues. DanTex Apr 2017 #22

It should send up all sorts of red flags Skidmore Apr 2017 #35

Very good point Chevy Apr 2017 #70

Shame on her. Cha Apr 2017 #83

The social justice "tradeoffs" you attribute for Sanders are one or more steps PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #36

Bulloney.. don't try to cover for him.. it's not working. Cha Apr 2017 #99

Why does it have to be one or the other?? kentuck Apr 2017 #20

Yeah, economic issues are social issues and vice versa TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #100

DanTex, don't we have enough Bernie posts? sharedvalues Apr 2017 #21

Bernie, in his own words, has called for a "fundamental transformation" of the D party. DanTex Apr 2017 #23

Sorry, but as long as Bernie keeps saying things that aren't right, pnwmom Apr 2017 #63

BS is Always on tv harranguing on the Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #96

It's not about Bernie....but here's a bunch of ways it's about Berine melman Apr 2017 #24

Good post Highway61 Apr 2017 #26

We can see how establishment Democrats have done with elections lately. Darkhawk32 Apr 2017 #28

Right? Highway61 Apr 2017 #30

Well, at least they're Democrats. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #50

I'm curious - where have "non-establishment" Democrats won where "establishment" ones have not? Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #62

good point, mostly what I've seen is shit talking uponit7771 Apr 2017 #79

said the GOP and the Russians uponit7771 Apr 2017 #78

"Establishment".. that tired ol fucking buzzword that Cha Apr 2017 #97

What if the majority of members of the Democratic Party do not want to change it? George II Apr 2017 #27

Well, in the last 8 years, the Democratic party has lost about 1000 seats panader0 Apr 2017 #31

Were those 1000 seats lost to candidates that were further left than their Democratic opponents.... George II Apr 2017 #38

To Republicans. panader0 Apr 2017 #40

Thanks but that doesn't answer the question. George II Apr 2017 #41

I seriously doubt that any Republican would be further left than a Democrat. panader0 Apr 2017 #45

That's my point. We lost those 1000 seats to candidates that were further right than our.... George II Apr 2017 #54

Yes -- because if the voters have a choice between a Republican and a Nay Apr 2017 #87

The party stopped drifting right sometime between 2000 and 2008. DanTex Apr 2017 #48

Gerrymandering won't be solved by electing Bernie wannabes. Those red districts pnwmom Apr 2017 #64

Down with single payer! Down with tax funded college tuitions n!!! Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #34

Krystal Ball Certainly Did Try To Push That Agends (Along With Her Book) Me. Apr 2017 #32

I found her highly obnoxious in her appearance this morning, and thoroughly enjoyed... George II Apr 2017 #43

Am In Total Me. Apr 2017 #51

Thanks for the report from tvland, Me.. Cha Apr 2017 #84

Women's reproductive health and lives are not mere "social issues." That is Tea Party thinking. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #44

The new and successful Democratic Party is safeinOhio Apr 2017 #55

Let's stop the Bernie bashing left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #57

When is he going to stop bashing Democrats? n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #65

He's supporting a Democrat, backed by the state and national party killbotfactory Apr 2017 #71

He was dismissive of another progressive's bona fides, saying that not all Democrats pnwmom Apr 2017 #73

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Nt killbotfactory Apr 2017 #75

He was criticized for endorsing the anti-abortion guy but being dismissive of a progressive.. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #76

Stop trying to deflect with accusations of "bashing" Cha Apr 2017 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #58

It is not suspicious at all. It's a natural result of his bashing the Democratic party. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #66

There has been more progress on social issues than economic issues elias7 Apr 2017 #67

And ALL that progress is in jeopardy. And for black people, they have made less progress pnwmom Apr 2017 #69

Agreed. elias7 Apr 2017 #80

actually legally there hasn't been all that much on LGBT issues dsc Apr 2017 #77

I see much more social acceptance of groups that have been reviled/marginalized elias7 Apr 2017 #81

I don't deny that LGBT have made social progress dsc Apr 2017 #82

Dantex says that Krystak Ball says ... Must be true then aikoaiko Apr 2017 #68

It seems there is one thing you can count on with the Democratic Party: division. Vinca Apr 2017 #92

What did he actually say in the speech today? Is there a link? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #102

K&R Gothmog Apr 2017 #106