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ehrnst

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62. So much mistaken in your claims.... where to start

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:42 PM

Apr 2017

First... Having personal reservations about abortion isn't "being against abortion," and is not the same as advocating criminalizing it. Being against drunk driving doesn't mean you advocate prohibition - if that was the case, then MADD would be at every statehouse trying to overturn the 19th amendment.

Second - Why did Kaine cut off funding for "abscense only education" as you call it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/12/AR2007111201716.html

Where are you getting this stuff?

If you want to talk about years ago, we can dig around into some less than progressive positions that Bernie has held, but that isn't what we're talking about, is it?

But since you brought it up - Tim Kaine has talked at length about the line he draws between his feelings and his legal position on abortion.

https://thinkprogress.org/tim-kaines-journey-on-abortion-rights-781b1f877aa3

Is that clearer? Perhaps you can see where your argument falls short.

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Bernie, There Will Be No Revolution Without Reproductive Rights [View all] ehrnst Apr 2017 OP

More On How Economics & Reproductive Rights Are Totally Entwined Me. Apr 2017 #1

That revolution won't make it far disregarding the bodily autonomy of 50% of progressives. ehrnst Apr 2017 #3

Only 50% Me. Apr 2017 #6

True, this. Men who love and respect women will also stand by them. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #11

Thenn There's This Me. Apr 2017 #12

But hey, it's not like they're "working class white men" important. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #30

I keep wondering where the reasonable MontanaMama Apr 2017 #40

It's been framed as "women wanting to reject childbearing" instead of women wanting consent ehrnst Apr 2017 #50

+1 fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #103

Then let us all get behind safeinOhio Apr 2017 #17

If only those who said that they would "TOTALLY vote for EW as a nominee" ehrnst Apr 2017 #34

That is my point and to calm safeinOhio Apr 2017 #52

So what do you make of her full throated endorsement ehrnst Apr 2017 #53

Sorry, I'm not buy the opinion safeinOhio Apr 2017 #60

Disregarding? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #76

Bernie's a tough guy, he can handle a little criticism over a somewhat odd endorsement emulatorloo Apr 2017 #126

Sanders it about Sanders: Democratic party should tell Trump call Hillary for help lewebley3 Apr 2017 #13

What? Me. Apr 2017 #15

???? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #24

... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2017 #25

As a woman, I am offended athena Apr 2017 #2

THIS volstork Apr 2017 #4

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #5

... LexVegas Apr 2017 #7

YES! A thousand times yes NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #16

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #22

This. MontanaMama Apr 2017 #46

Here is a post that explains this phenomenon. athena Apr 2017 #65

Yes! Same here. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #64

I join you. What I'm hearing, and reading... and the OUTRAGEOUS and CONTORTED defense of it... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #97

Someone will come along that is more "socialist" than Bernie... kentuck Apr 2017 #8

It's certainly running behind modern progressivism. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #10

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #14

To dismiss abortion rights is to dismiss the importance of childbearing ehrnst Apr 2017 #9

I'm ok w/someone being personally anti-abortion. But forcing others to behave... Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #18

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Some of us are offended by being thrown under the bus. athena Apr 2017 #23

Sounds like they will be enjoying some pizza. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #26

That was fast! athena Apr 2017 #31

There are many joining to try to stir up the anger at Democrats. ehrnst Apr 2017 #37

Shades of the 60s and 70s!! bobbieinok Apr 2017 #20

There is a reason that the women's movement broke off from the left in the 60's. ehrnst Apr 2017 #27

Sanders and Carmichael would be the same age BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #33

Yes, that's a very astute observation. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #38

And I agree with your thought that this is the last vestiges BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #51

If the GOP had just nipped the Tea Party in the bud ehrnst Apr 2017 #57

Reproductive rights ARE an economic issue. That's why the republicans continually try... George II Apr 2017 #21

And certain "progressives" try to cut it off from the larger discussion of "progress." ehrnst Apr 2017 #28

Economic equality is important, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #29

It's more of a web than a hierarchy. But that's a rather feminine way of looking at things ehrnst Apr 2017 #39

Agreed, and my list was not intended to be a ranking. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #47

I understand. I wish that others understood that there is no way to throw one under the bus ehrnst Apr 2017 #54

I have an unrelated question: guillaumeb Apr 2017 #56

Oh, that. ehrnst Apr 2017 #58

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When the hell did VP candidate Tim Kaine say that he was against full access to reproductive rights? ehrnst Apr 2017 #59

Kaine is for limited access to abortion amd abscense only education and, PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #61

So much mistaken in your claims.... where to start ehrnst Apr 2017 #62

In 2016 Kaine still supported the Hyde Amendment before he deferred to Hillary Rilgin Apr 2017 #73

Kaine got the endorsement from NARAL on his voting record ehrnst Apr 2017 #86

Once again quotes without attribution Rilgin Apr 2017 #104

Has BS ever said that he is a progressive? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #113

Exactly. MineralMan Apr 2017 #35

The Democrats on the anti-choice bandwagon need to have an epiphany. mwooldri Apr 2017 #36

Ephiphany capitulation or 'pivoting' to many who determine the ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

Obama ' s gay marriage position was largely political strategy JI7 Apr 2017 #49

Total reproductive rights are the FIRST step Kath2 Apr 2017 #41

Not if you think that the only "universal" issues ehrnst Apr 2017 #43

Right on. Kath2 Apr 2017 #44

Absitively Posolutely. This is NON-NEGOTIABLE. calimary Apr 2017 #45

Ironically, many Sanders people insisted that Hillary could not be trusted on abortion. StevieM Apr 2017 #48

But she isn't Bernie. Bernie is above all that. ehrnst Apr 2017 #55

As a woman, I am offended ..... LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #63

I love this platform -- Keep America Red Sgent Apr 2017 #66

Me too...and if he was the only Democrat running, I would vote for him. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #70

Medicaid directly helps MEN, because everyone needs health care. musette_sf Apr 2017 #77

Thank you, ehrnst.. I am so grateful for this Cha Apr 2017 #67

Reproductive rights are also an economic issue and a fundamental premise of what Democrats stand for Gothmog Apr 2017 #68

What disturbed me is he called Mello a 'rising star'. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #69

The problem is that you appear to have made up this quote with regard to Sanders Rilgin Apr 2017 #71

You should have looked more carefully. It was in the New York Times. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #74

Take your quotes off. Rilgin Apr 2017 #78

I will do no such thing...the New York Times article posted below informs Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #79

The New York times does not have a quote from Sanders Rilgin Apr 2017 #80

The except is quoted because it came from the New York Times word for word. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #81

The New York Times do not use quotes around "future star" Rilgin Apr 2017 #116

The New York Times used the term rising star... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #120

Has anyone complained that it is not true...no because it was said. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #121

I just provided you with direct links to the actual speech Rilgin Apr 2017 #123

Here is an actual quote of Bernies on Mello Rilgin Apr 2017 #117

The New York Times article says he did say that. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #82

Here is a link to a video of the actual event Rilgin Apr 2017 #118

Really? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #114

Really? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #115

And Nina Turner who left the Democratic party and Keith Ellison are reported to have said it too.. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75

Link to Actual Video Rilgin Apr 2017 #119

It was in the New York times. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #122

ok here is the link Rilgin Apr 2017 #124

Thanks...you can look at the video or ask the New York Times for a retraction if you think Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #125

LOL. He defended his remarks because he believes in the issues he mentioned Rilgin Apr 2017 #127

Corey Booker has a robust progressive record, but a single vote against a symbolic amendment ehrnst Apr 2017 #83

Tim Kaine was. Too soon to say about Mello Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #88

With his history of anti-choice he can not be a rising star... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89

So Tim Kaine can also never be considered a rising star? Kentonio Apr 2017 #91

Tim Kaine is nothing like Mello... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #92

I think maybe you need to go read more about Kaine's record as governor Kentonio Apr 2017 #93

You need read what Mello voted for including denying insurance coverage for abortion. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #94

Like when NARAL gave Kaine an F rating Kentonio Apr 2017 #95

They did not give him an 'F' rating...that is on a GOP website by the way...they refused to endorse Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Since when was Politico a 'GOP website'? Kentonio Apr 2017 #99

As I said...he was not given an 'F' rating... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #105

No, you're right Kentonio Apr 2017 #106

This happened before he was governor in 2005 so he could not have passed legislation. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #108

Look, this is a guy who.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #110

Link please for the 2005 claims... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #111

A license plate isn't the same as voting to ban insurance companies from paying for abortions. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #128

You seem to be mistakenly thinking I'm defending Bernie Kentonio Apr 2017 #129

Appreciate the clarification. I wanted Warren! emulatorloo Apr 2017 #131

he defends his position on this, suggesting that we need Dems to have a majority to JCanete Apr 2017 #72

The candidate is running on the Democratic ticket for mayor ehrnst Apr 2017 #84

I'd feel more comfortable with that position, if.... Adrahil Apr 2017 #85

Mello ... IS ... bad on this issue, if Mello took money from wall street there would be no question uponit7771 Apr 2017 #87

I agree its problematic. I think I defined a difference(edit: nope, not in this particular post) JCanete Apr 2017 #100

No, that has nothing to do with endorsing a mayoral candidate which would not give us Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90

They know that already. They're just making a CONTORTED deflection and ABSURD defense of someone... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #98

Jane Kleeb a supporter of our revolution is the chair of the Nebraska Democratic party... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #101

Please don't assume I'm not arguing in good faith. And next time, maybe even read my post... JCanete Apr 2017 #102

There is no logic for spending time and money on a unimportant mayoral race... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #107

I can't argue with you on the Dem party, I don't know how things are generally done, but JCanete Apr 2017 #109

I have no desire for Sanders to eat 'shit'... only want him to stop criticizing Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #112

You don't get to tell pro-choice Democrats what they "need to do," Cha Apr 2017 #130