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Omaha Steve

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Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:01 PM Apr 2017

A false claim about Heath Mello in a front page diary has been corrected. Thank you, Daily Kos. [View all]


WOW!!! How did so many miss this? Fake news discredited on 4-20-17 with actual links and stuff!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/20/1654741/-David-Nir-is-wrong

By Nova Land 2017/04/20 · 13:24

Snip: First, here’s a link to the text of the bill Mello co-sponsored. I urge people to read the text for themselves. I have, and can attest to the fact that the bill does not require women to undergo ultrasound. Rather, it requires the doctor to give the woman a list of places where ultrasounds can be done (including, and clearly specifying, places which will do it for free), but the choice of whether to have one or not is left to the woman.

The law also states that, if the doctor needs to do an ultrasound prior to the abortion for medical reasons then the doctor must inform the woman an ultrasound is being done and offer her the choice of viewing the screen, but the choice of whether to view or not is hers.

This is very different from how the law is being misrepresented. There were many laws passed which did require women to have ultrasounds; this one does not.

A number of people on this site yesterday were repeating the false claim that Mello favored forced ultrasounds and had co-sponsored a law requiring women to undergo ultrasounds. One source of this misinformation is VoteSmart. VoteSmart is usually a good source, but in this case they screwed up badly. On their page regarding the Nebraska law they give both the wrong title and the wrong summary. (Their summary claims the Nebraska law mandates women must have an ultrasound before having an abortion; the actual law says just the opposite.)

FULL story at link.

And from Nebraska's LARGEST news gathering agency 2 days ago: http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-stumps-for-heath-mello-in-omaha-stirs-national/article_284457a1-a7d1-5d79-ae2e-9c8bc68ea31e.html

Snip: In 2009, the version of Legislative Bill 675 that became law, on a 40-5 vote, was viewed as a compromise measure. As first introduced, the bill would have required a woman to look at the ultrasound image.

Mello’s campaign said he signed on to the bill to support the compromise version.

Mello, who is Catholic, said he remains pro-life.

“While my faith guides my personal views, as mayor I would never do anything to restrict access to reproductive health care,” Mello said in the statement.


Compare that to US Senator Kaine (former D candidate for VP) that used to be anti-abortion as Gov. from 2005 until elected to the Senate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-abortion-predicament-225053

By DARREN SAMUELSOHN and DANIEL STRAUSS 07/04/16 07:23 AM EDT

But he hasn’t always advanced policies directly in line with those of abortion rights advocacy groups. He pledged in his 2005 gubernatorial campaign to reduce the number of terminated pregnancies in the state by promoting adoption and abstinence-focused education. That cycle, the state NARAL chapter ripped Kaine’s GOP opponent, Jerry Kilgore, as “an extremely anti-choice candidate” but still withheld its endorsement of Kaine because he “embraces many of the restrictions on a woman’s right to choose.”

In a 2007 NARAL scorecard, Kaine was described as a “mixed-choice” governor and his state got an F grade thanks in part to a number of laws and other policies restricting access to abortions. Two years later, Kaine upset both local and national reproductive rights groups by signing a law that authorized the sale of customized “Choose Life” license plates. Kaine argued he was supporting free speech, but his critics complained that the law would fund pro-life organizations and didn’t square with another very important hat that he was wearing at the time: Obama’s personally picked head of the Democratic National Committee.

Kaine brings many other attributes as a running mate, including a widely respected reputation for bipartisanship, after serving just under four years in the Senate, and his own proven political chops winning three straight statewide races in the critical battleground of Virginia. But the hot button issue of abortion, where he has a much more nuanced stance than many of his fellow Democrats, is the baggage he carries.

Major abortion rights groups and some of their allies on Capitol Hill are tip-toeing around the prospect of a Clinton-Kaine ticket.

DNC chair infuriates abortion backers: http://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/dnc-chair-infuriates-abortion-backers-020686

Tim Kaine, the Virginia governor and President Barack Obama's hand-picked choice as the head of the Democratic National Committee, infuriated abortion-rights groups Monday by signing legislation that gives abortion foes a long-sought victory.

Kaine brushed off intense lobbying by abortion rights supporters in Richmond to sign a bill that allows Virginia motorists to advertise their anti-abortion views by sporting "Choose Life" specialty license plates.

The revenue from the specialty plates would go to crisis-pregnancy centers, which many abortion-rights backers believe proslyetize against abortion and encourage women to keep unwanted children.

If Kaine were merely the governor of the Old Dominion, the move might have been less notable. Kaine—a Catholic who says he is personally opposed to abortion but pledged to leave the right to choose intact—won office in Virginia partly by seeking to reassure social conservatives.

Abortion Rights Group in Va. Skips Gubernatorial Endorsement: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/16/AR2005081601329.html

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 17, 2005

RICHMOND, Aug. 16 -- The Virginia chapter of NARAL Pro-Choice America said Tuesday that it will not endorse any candidate in this fall's governor's race, citing a lack of support for abortion rights among the two leading candidates.

The group endorsed Democrats for lieutenant governor, attorney general and most delegate races but said Democratic Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine failed to earn its backing for governor because of his support for some abortion restrictions.

The group condemned Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry W. Kilgore as an "extremely anti-choice" candidate, and it charged that he would sign legislation to criminalize abortion and restrict access to contraceptives if given the chance.

"Tim Kaine . . . has said he would not sign such legislation, but he embraces many of the restrictions on a woman's right to choose that are opposed by NARAL," the group's statement said. "We cannot therefore offer any endorsement in this year's race for governor."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-2016-vp-pick-tim-kaine-213997: “Picking Kaine, a centrist, DLC [the now-defunct Democratic Leadership Council] Democrat, who happens to have some scary positions on abortion and the deficit,

Plenty more info on this with Goggle!
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It is a mayor's race...and we need to put our time and money in other places...also a candidate Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #1
Read below...have any of these been debunked because you can use the links I provide and Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #58
Umm, you're defending Mello and bashing Kaine for what reason exactly? DanTex Apr 2017 #2
Good question. nt cwydro Apr 2017 #3
Excellent question. Why? charlyvi Apr 2017 #4
I would love to hear the answer to that as well. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #5
Well, given that the OP is an active member of a different forum... cwydro Apr 2017 #9
Yup. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #10
I gotta wonder... cwydro Apr 2017 #11
I think the reason Kaine is being brought up is obvious. Some people here don't like Sanders, JCanete Apr 2017 #7
Bingo Rilgin Apr 2017 #8
This is an excellent post. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #19
Except that the OP is smearing Kaine. Kaine was never anti-abortion and has a 100% Lifetime rating FSogol Apr 2017 #15
That is for his Senate record, not his prior State record Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #21
That would be because Kaine is pro-choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
That isn't a lifetime rating, his record before senate was poor Kentonio Apr 2017 #48
He chose an obscure mayoral candidate BainsBane Apr 2017 #56
Did he chose? Kentonio Apr 2017 #59
Mello's record can't be denied: musette_sf Apr 2017 #55
Another question... progressoid Apr 2017 #16
I wonder about that as well. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #17
Curious ain't it? progressoid Apr 2017 #29
+ 1 xoxo musette_sf Apr 2017 #53
Why do you think that presenting Kaine's positions & statements on abortion is "bashing" him? Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #62
Oh, good grief! This shit again? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #6
Oh c'mon. progressoid Apr 2017 #13
+1 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #18
This is an OP justifying underminging equal rights BainsBane Apr 2017 #22
I think the OP is about hypocrisy. progressoid Apr 2017 #28
who is among those who don't stand for what they pretend to BainsBane Apr 2017 #30
Chuck and Harry have had that kind of influence... progressoid Apr 2017 #37
Ridiculous. BainsBane Apr 2017 #38
"Who have you ever seen adopt a position because they did?" progressoid Apr 2017 #40
You said they exercised the same kind of influence Bernie did BainsBane Apr 2017 #41
I should have been more clear. Their influence was more underhanded. progressoid Apr 2017 #43
I think the raised hackles have more to with that certain senator's lukewarm support of Ossoff and Demit Apr 2017 #31
"All Democrats are not progressives" was the quote BainsBane Apr 2017 #39
yes, but i think his reasons for support/lack of support had more to do with who supported him in JI7 Apr 2017 #42
I suspect you're right. Which makes the criticism of Sanders this past week perfectly legitimate. Demit Apr 2017 #44
You're probably disliking those accusations because they're not intended for you Kentonio Apr 2017 #49
There is a lot of presupposing of motives going on. Demit Apr 2017 #52
We are told by many here to always vote D, not matter their actual stances on things. alarimer Apr 2017 #12
Isn't it great you now have a position you can endorse enthusiastically BainsBane Apr 2017 #32
It's strange.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #50
Stop smearing Kaine. Allowing a pro-life license plate doesn't make someone "anti-abortion" FSogol Apr 2017 #14
As Gov he SIGNED not vetoed the bill that banned late-term abortion Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #20
Planned Parenthood Voters Nebraska said this about Mello tammywammy Apr 2017 #24
Planned Parenthood of Virginia is extremely disappointed with Gov. Kaine's decision," Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #25
because a license plate BainsBane Apr 2017 #35
+1 nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #46
Interesting to see you actively justify moving the party to the right BainsBane Apr 2017 #23
First Tom? And now Steve??? Wow you are on a roll tonight BB!!! JoeOtterbein Apr 2017 #27
Did you read the OP? BainsBane Apr 2017 #33
Thanks Steve! GREAT to see you on the trending list again! JoeOtterbein Apr 2017 #26
Lol. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #45
Mello was endorsed by an anti-choice group BainsBane Apr 2017 #34
Mello's record speaks for itself musette_sf Apr 2017 #54
Kos rescinded their endorsement of Mello Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #47
The more centrists the DNC backs the further right we go countryjake Apr 2017 #51
Fortunately the DNC rescinded it's endorsement BainsBane Apr 2017 #57
Regarding your opinion of progressives, since when? countryjake Apr 2017 #61
At the risk of being attacked/flamed/criticized Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #60
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