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KPN

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114. Thanks. That sounds like a quote from Bernie without question.

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:21 PM

Apr 2017

I'm not sure your description of the quote in your OP is an accurate characterization. Well, actually I respectfully disagree with it. This isn't an either or thing in my mind and it bothers me that some people see it that way. To me, that's the divisive view. He very clearly states his strong support for choice.

Re: Mello. In my view, his views don't differ significantly from Tim Kaine's if I compare what each has said.

I really wish we were not having this dispute here at DU. I am every bit as much in favor of woman's choice as anyone else here at DU. Yet, we seem to have strong disagreement. It strikes me that disagreement is really about and revolves around the person -- Bernie; and that no matter what he says or does, some will find major fault with it. I can only surmise why.

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I've been told my equal rights just aren't pragmatic [View all] BainsBane Apr 2017 OP

Amazing how some "progressives" are saying that we need to be practical about social justice... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1

correction BainsBane Apr 2017 #3

Very true. I think sometimes some of these purity progressives are just not what they claim to be. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #4

"There is no economic justice without equal rights." NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #24

TOTALLY. calimary Apr 2017 #109

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #23

Sounds Like Krystal Ball Talking On Joy Reid Today Me. Apr 2017 #28

It's All About the Money dlk Apr 2017 #2

White dudes have it so bad in America. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #5

It seems easy MontanaMama Apr 2017 #6

Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness-it's for everyone delisen Apr 2017 #7

I like the way you said it! BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #40

Damn straight. warmfeet Apr 2017 #85

Women, people of color, gay folks, immigrants - we're inconvenient. yardwork Apr 2017 #8

Amen shenmue Apr 2017 #36

Yes we are the inconvenient truth of Human Rights and Equality delisen Apr 2017 #50

Democrats can always evolve. And that's a good thing!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #115

Lord, I feel like I'm back in the 70's wryter2000 Apr 2017 #9

that says something. boston bean Apr 2017 #38

women's rights have ALWAYS had to take a back seat to everything and everyone else under niyad Apr 2017 #56

Very true. One would think we could find allies in the Black and GLBTQ communities BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #79

Many in AA communities - BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #100

Yay!! Thank you!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #123

All too true! BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #124

And unfortunately, "progressives" can be the worst. Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #76

They can sure be holier than thou wryter2000 Apr 2017 #112

YUP. I remember that, too. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #86

Fuck that! smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #10

Women's Rights Are Also An Economic REality Me. Apr 2017 #29

Yes shenmue Apr 2017 #37

Equal rights are always right.. ananda Apr 2017 #11

Can't believe they're still pushing the idea that women and people of color are just incidental. Squinch Apr 2017 #12

2017 sheshe2 Apr 2017 #43

It feels like we had climbed the branches and had the apple in our hands, and now we've fallen Squinch Apr 2017 #44

Yes. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #48

It is the "Myth of Sisyphus" BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #102

Yup... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #113

Just trying to understand if your OP was genuine... I may have been mistaken. JudyM Apr 2017 #65

Howard Dean was on Joy Reid's* show this morning discussing this, and the R B Garr Apr 2017 #13

This is why I have always BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #27

I wish he'd go back to the DNC. Squinch Apr 2017 #46

I am very sorry that he was BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #98

I agree with all of this. On the bright side, I do think that people are getting energized Squinch Apr 2017 #99

I see that as a heartening trend BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #101

Krystal Ball Also Needs To Get Her Head Together On This Me. Apr 2017 #31

Thank you to Joy Reid and Howard Dean. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #45

You know, when word first came out about Hillary's server, I wished that Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #53

Well, it isn't economics for a "certain segment," unless that segment is 99 percent of americans. JCanete Apr 2017 #59

Planned Parenthood does NOT support Mello BainsBane Apr 2017 #68

what? When talking about economics, women are not being excluded. By increasing JCanete Apr 2017 #74

PP of Nebraska did not give Mello a 100% rating BainsBane Apr 2017 #75

I have it on th DVR BainsBane Apr 2017 #66

K & f'ing R! mcar Apr 2017 #14

This is what happens when individuals become more important than the party. JHan Apr 2017 #15

Precisely What Dr. Dean Said Me. Apr 2017 #33

Amen to that! Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #34

When Asked If They'd Be Registering Voters Me. Apr 2017 #35

Great post. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #16

Here's five dollars betting that retrowire Apr 2017 #17

Because no one on the left has been pushing this idea? Lol. Squinch Apr 2017 #47

Are you sure it's the left or is it people on the internet? retrowire Apr 2017 #49

Do you read the newspapers? Have you heard about this prominent leader on the left who is pushing Squinch Apr 2017 #52

What prominent leader of the left? retrowire Apr 2017 #61

I was just told that "money makes the world go around" when I made the same case. boston bean Apr 2017 #18

Grow up. Take one for the team. Stop complaining. randome Apr 2017 #19

Who told you that? KPN Apr 2017 #20

I read it. BainsBane Apr 2017 #70

I think you provided the wrong link Martin Eden Apr 2017 #107

Read again BainsBane Apr 2017 #119

I don't see that in Bernie's quote at all Martin Eden Apr 2017 #128

Thanks. That sounds like a quote from Bernie without question. KPN Apr 2017 #114

Bernie is pro-choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #116

I understand and appreciate your views. KPN Apr 2017 #122

Bain, I am so upset at this. What part of WOMEN'S MARCH did they fail to understand?! Hekate Apr 2017 #21

Maybe the success of the march was intimidating to some. delisen Apr 2017 #60

There is nothing at all "progressive" about abandoning the rights of more than half the country. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #22

Did you see Krystal Ball (what an egocentric choice of names, BTW) on AM Joy this morning? George II Apr 2017 #25

If I may ask the original poster... Jolly Sapper Apr 2017 #26

Trying to prioritize rights seems futile. Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #30

Not to back us is unconscionable. We are not chips to be gambled with. nolabear Apr 2017 #32

Excellent post. Kath2 Apr 2017 #39

Bravo and well said! nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #41

LGBT people here were told that for years, QC Apr 2017 #42

Not by me. BainsBane Apr 2017 #72

BINGO! I'm having it out on twitter about what saying Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #51

I agree BainsBane Apr 2017 #78

k and r. I have been appalled by that thinking coming out of what are supposedly "progressive" niyad Apr 2017 #54

I routinely see POC insulted on twitter when they run out of their Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #55

I am not on social media, but absolutely disgusted by some of the stuff that is reported here niyad Apr 2017 #57

Anyone who believes such a thing MUST BE DRUMMED OUT of our party! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #58

Right on, as usual! Kath2 Apr 2017 #62

Thank you! Keep fighting! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #67

I will! Kath2 Apr 2017 #69

Yes! BainsBane Apr 2017 #71

AMEN!!!!!!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #77

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #103

As the father of two daughters, I agree with the OP Gothmog Apr 2017 #63

We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Schumer et al have the wrong delisen Apr 2017 #64

k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #73

Run for office IronLionZion Apr 2017 #80

I'm flattered you would suggest it BainsBane Apr 2017 #84

Mello words on reproductive rights. zentrum Apr 2017 #81

Would he have made that statement if he weren't "under fire"? athena Apr 2017 #87

The words .. zentrum Apr 2017 #92

If our rights are not in jeopardy, then why is the head of NARAL so outraged? athena Apr 2017 #96

I admire your tenacity. Thank you. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #108

Women, POC, and the LBGT community have been told that before...repeatedly. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #82

I'm with you. BainsBane Apr 2017 #91

One hundred and fifty years Progressive dog Apr 2017 #83

Pragmatism Is Not Really the Issue On the Road Apr 2017 #88

The woman is already a human being. athena Apr 2017 #89

Thank you for this, BainsBane! Cha Apr 2017 #90

Which equal rights are those? Lithos Apr 2017 #93

More here BainsBane Apr 2017 #95

The sooner you wimmin accept your status as chattel... Orrex Apr 2017 #94

Just call me Offred. Squinch Apr 2017 #104

Time for all women to form our own powerful lexington filly Apr 2017 #97

Neither is democracy. As Shrub would intone, a dictatorship is a lot simpler. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #105

K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #106

THANK YOU, BainsBane! calimary Apr 2017 #110

Or why anger at corporations is a litmus test BainsBane Apr 2017 #111

K&R!! musette_sf Apr 2017 #117

I was told that my concerns for peace and economic equality weren't pragmatic. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #118

How do you suppose economic justice is achieved BainsBane Apr 2017 #120

Your personal attack on me is total bullshit. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #127

It is a valid argument. No progress can be made on any issue KPN Apr 2017 #121

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #125

Maybe I heard the message wrong, cheapdate Apr 2017 #126