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73. In 2016 Kaine still supported the Hyde Amendment before he deferred to Hillary

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:12 PM

Apr 2017

He did some major backtracking but Kaine reiterated his support for the Hyde Amendment in 2016. His reform moment and attempt to avoid backlash was a later statement that he would support Hillary's position on it. However, if you support Kaine you support someone who supported the Hyde Amendment while a Vice Presidential Candidate selected by Hillary who presumably knew about that support. If Hillary was elected and then something happened, we would have had a Democratic President who believed in the Hyde Amendment.

Here is one of many links.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/tim-kaine-hyde-amendment-abortion/index.html

So please expand your outrage to the candidate who selected as her vice president a politician who had a current position that I would think you would find untenable.

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Bernie, There Will Be No Revolution Without Reproductive Rights [View all] ehrnst Apr 2017 OP

More On How Economics & Reproductive Rights Are Totally Entwined Me. Apr 2017 #1

That revolution won't make it far disregarding the bodily autonomy of 50% of progressives. ehrnst Apr 2017 #3

Only 50% Me. Apr 2017 #6

True, this. Men who love and respect women will also stand by them. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #11

Thenn There's This Me. Apr 2017 #12

But hey, it's not like they're "working class white men" important. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #30

I keep wondering where the reasonable MontanaMama Apr 2017 #40

It's been framed as "women wanting to reject childbearing" instead of women wanting consent ehrnst Apr 2017 #50

+1 fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #103

Then let us all get behind safeinOhio Apr 2017 #17

If only those who said that they would "TOTALLY vote for EW as a nominee" ehrnst Apr 2017 #34

That is my point and to calm safeinOhio Apr 2017 #52

So what do you make of her full throated endorsement ehrnst Apr 2017 #53

Sorry, I'm not buy the opinion safeinOhio Apr 2017 #60

Disregarding? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #76

Bernie's a tough guy, he can handle a little criticism over a somewhat odd endorsement emulatorloo Apr 2017 #126

Sanders it about Sanders: Democratic party should tell Trump call Hillary for help lewebley3 Apr 2017 #13

What? Me. Apr 2017 #15

???? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #24

... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2017 #25

As a woman, I am offended athena Apr 2017 #2

THIS volstork Apr 2017 #4

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #5

... LexVegas Apr 2017 #7

YES! A thousand times yes NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #16

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #22

This. MontanaMama Apr 2017 #46

Here is a post that explains this phenomenon. athena Apr 2017 #65

Yes! Same here. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #64

I join you. What I'm hearing, and reading... and the OUTRAGEOUS and CONTORTED defense of it... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #97

Someone will come along that is more "socialist" than Bernie... kentuck Apr 2017 #8

It's certainly running behind modern progressivism. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #10

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To dismiss abortion rights is to dismiss the importance of childbearing ehrnst Apr 2017 #9

I'm ok w/someone being personally anti-abortion. But forcing others to behave... Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #18

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Some of us are offended by being thrown under the bus. athena Apr 2017 #23

Sounds like they will be enjoying some pizza. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #26

That was fast! athena Apr 2017 #31

There are many joining to try to stir up the anger at Democrats. ehrnst Apr 2017 #37

Shades of the 60s and 70s!! bobbieinok Apr 2017 #20

There is a reason that the women's movement broke off from the left in the 60's. ehrnst Apr 2017 #27

Sanders and Carmichael would be the same age BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #33

Yes, that's a very astute observation. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #38

And I agree with your thought that this is the last vestiges BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #51

If the GOP had just nipped the Tea Party in the bud ehrnst Apr 2017 #57

Reproductive rights ARE an economic issue. That's why the republicans continually try... George II Apr 2017 #21

And certain "progressives" try to cut it off from the larger discussion of "progress." ehrnst Apr 2017 #28

Economic equality is important, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #29

It's more of a web than a hierarchy. But that's a rather feminine way of looking at things ehrnst Apr 2017 #39

Agreed, and my list was not intended to be a ranking. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #47

I understand. I wish that others understood that there is no way to throw one under the bus ehrnst Apr 2017 #54

I have an unrelated question: guillaumeb Apr 2017 #56

Oh, that. ehrnst Apr 2017 #58

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When the hell did VP candidate Tim Kaine say that he was against full access to reproductive rights? ehrnst Apr 2017 #59

Kaine is for limited access to abortion amd abscense only education and, PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #61

So much mistaken in your claims.... where to start ehrnst Apr 2017 #62

In 2016 Kaine still supported the Hyde Amendment before he deferred to Hillary Rilgin Apr 2017 #73

Kaine got the endorsement from NARAL on his voting record ehrnst Apr 2017 #86

Once again quotes without attribution Rilgin Apr 2017 #104

Has BS ever said that he is a progressive? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #113

Exactly. MineralMan Apr 2017 #35

The Democrats on the anti-choice bandwagon need to have an epiphany. mwooldri Apr 2017 #36

Ephiphany capitulation or 'pivoting' to many who determine the ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

Obama ' s gay marriage position was largely political strategy JI7 Apr 2017 #49

Total reproductive rights are the FIRST step Kath2 Apr 2017 #41

Not if you think that the only "universal" issues ehrnst Apr 2017 #43

Right on. Kath2 Apr 2017 #44

Absitively Posolutely. This is NON-NEGOTIABLE. calimary Apr 2017 #45

Ironically, many Sanders people insisted that Hillary could not be trusted on abortion. StevieM Apr 2017 #48

But she isn't Bernie. Bernie is above all that. ehrnst Apr 2017 #55

As a woman, I am offended ..... LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #63

I love this platform -- Keep America Red Sgent Apr 2017 #66

Me too...and if he was the only Democrat running, I would vote for him. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #70

Medicaid directly helps MEN, because everyone needs health care. musette_sf Apr 2017 #77

Thank you, ehrnst.. I am so grateful for this Cha Apr 2017 #67

Reproductive rights are also an economic issue and a fundamental premise of what Democrats stand for Gothmog Apr 2017 #68

What disturbed me is he called Mello a 'rising star'. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #69

The problem is that you appear to have made up this quote with regard to Sanders Rilgin Apr 2017 #71

You should have looked more carefully. It was in the New York Times. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #74

Take your quotes off. Rilgin Apr 2017 #78

I will do no such thing...the New York Times article posted below informs Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #79

The New York times does not have a quote from Sanders Rilgin Apr 2017 #80

The except is quoted because it came from the New York Times word for word. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #81

The New York Times do not use quotes around "future star" Rilgin Apr 2017 #116

The New York Times used the term rising star... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #120

Has anyone complained that it is not true...no because it was said. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #121

I just provided you with direct links to the actual speech Rilgin Apr 2017 #123

Here is an actual quote of Bernies on Mello Rilgin Apr 2017 #117

The New York Times article says he did say that. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #82

Here is a link to a video of the actual event Rilgin Apr 2017 #118

Really? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #114

Really? nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #115

And Nina Turner who left the Democratic party and Keith Ellison are reported to have said it too.. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75

Link to Actual Video Rilgin Apr 2017 #119

It was in the New York times. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #122

ok here is the link Rilgin Apr 2017 #124

Thanks...you can look at the video or ask the New York Times for a retraction if you think Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #125

LOL. He defended his remarks because he believes in the issues he mentioned Rilgin Apr 2017 #127

Corey Booker has a robust progressive record, but a single vote against a symbolic amendment ehrnst Apr 2017 #83

Tim Kaine was. Too soon to say about Mello Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #88

With his history of anti-choice he can not be a rising star... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89

So Tim Kaine can also never be considered a rising star? Kentonio Apr 2017 #91

Tim Kaine is nothing like Mello... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #92

I think maybe you need to go read more about Kaine's record as governor Kentonio Apr 2017 #93

You need read what Mello voted for including denying insurance coverage for abortion. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #94

Like when NARAL gave Kaine an F rating Kentonio Apr 2017 #95

They did not give him an 'F' rating...that is on a GOP website by the way...they refused to endorse Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Since when was Politico a 'GOP website'? Kentonio Apr 2017 #99

As I said...he was not given an 'F' rating... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #105

No, you're right Kentonio Apr 2017 #106

This happened before he was governor in 2005 so he could not have passed legislation. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #108

Look, this is a guy who.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #110

Link please for the 2005 claims... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #111

A license plate isn't the same as voting to ban insurance companies from paying for abortions. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #128

You seem to be mistakenly thinking I'm defending Bernie Kentonio Apr 2017 #129

Appreciate the clarification. I wanted Warren! emulatorloo Apr 2017 #131

he defends his position on this, suggesting that we need Dems to have a majority to JCanete Apr 2017 #72

The candidate is running on the Democratic ticket for mayor ehrnst Apr 2017 #84

I'd feel more comfortable with that position, if.... Adrahil Apr 2017 #85

Mello ... IS ... bad on this issue, if Mello took money from wall street there would be no question uponit7771 Apr 2017 #87

I agree its problematic. I think I defined a difference(edit: nope, not in this particular post) JCanete Apr 2017 #100

No, that has nothing to do with endorsing a mayoral candidate which would not give us Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90

They know that already. They're just making a CONTORTED deflection and ABSURD defense of someone... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #98

Jane Kleeb a supporter of our revolution is the chair of the Nebraska Democratic party... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #101

Please don't assume I'm not arguing in good faith. And next time, maybe even read my post... JCanete Apr 2017 #102

There is no logic for spending time and money on a unimportant mayoral race... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #107

I can't argue with you on the Dem party, I don't know how things are generally done, but JCanete Apr 2017 #109

I have no desire for Sanders to eat 'shit'... only want him to stop criticizing Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #112

You don't get to tell pro-choice Democrats what they "need to do," Cha Apr 2017 #130