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[wildeyed]

61. I actually agree that if the party plans to be competitive in all 50 states,

we need to get our heads around the fact that there will be more culturally conservative Democrats. I do not believe that the party should waiver in it's pro-choice stance, just understand if we plan to actually win, we need to include these representative in the big tent.

I find it galling. I am a woman with a 16 year old daughter. But her interests will be better served if we have control of congress with a few more socially conservative reps than of the GOP has control. It is what it is. Electoral math often forces compromise that is a bitter pill to swallow.

That said, I suspect that the bitterness people are expressing has more to do with Sanders' idealism in the primary when it is contrasted with his current pragmatic vision of the party, not what he is actually said. When you say "but that is basically the argument that anti-Bernie people have made" you are correct. It is galling to have said a thing and be told you are wrong and then have the person who called you wrong say the same thing.

Personally, I am ok with it. I don't love it, but I doesn't bother me too much. Sanders is a politician, and saying things because they are politically expedient and help get votes or consolidate power, then changing their mind later is a thing that politicians do. Plus, Donald Trump and the current GOP are so apocalyptically bad, I got no outrage left to spend on intra-party battles.

I dunno. I see Sanders as an effective surrogate in some of these very white, socially conservative states. The history there is not always conservative on economics and religion. Nebraska had a strong socialist movement around turn of the century. Kansas had a radical, religiously motivated anti-slavery movement. If Democrats can revive that sprit, we might make in-roads. I think they like Sanders style. He did well there during the primary. If he can corral some votes and flip a few congressional seats, more power to him.

I am curious, do you support Sanders' statement about supporting anti-choice Dems in conservative states or not? You seem bitter about the "DLC third-way crowd" for doing the same thing. How is it different now?