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Steven Maurer

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69. I'm curious as to why you think Obama or Hillary doesn't qualify

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:45 PM

Apr 2017

As Senator Sanders is giving his blessing to this anti-choice candidate, can you explain exactly what positions he has that he's far more progressive on, than either President Obama or Secretary Clinton, that would justify such consideration?

For instance, is this new Sanders-endorsed anti-choice candidate much to the left of defense issues?

The reason I'm asking is because otherwise you're applying a double standard. Everything else the same, being anti-choice is more forgivable than being dubious about the political likelihood of getting single payer.

For me, being anti-choice is a far worse problem, because with economic issues the dispute is more about the viability of such solutions when Republicans are favored, whereas the public is largely pro-choice, so there is no political pressure to take such a position.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

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I don't understand why I have to be enamored with Sanders. Cary Apr 2017 #2

You don't have to be enamored. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #6

The Entire Future Of The Dem Party Depends On A Man Me. Apr 2017 #8

Write to Schumer and Perez, see how they respond. JudyM Apr 2017 #13

If They Think So, Dems Have A Real Problem Me. Apr 2017 #16

They appear to be pretty convinced that his alliance is important, that doesn't mean the whole party JudyM Apr 2017 #21

What I Noticed The Weekend Me. Apr 2017 #25

They know enough to keep their eye on the future Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #29

Not the party, no. But winnig elections depends on winning Independent votes Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #24

While You Have a point, I Will Point Out 2 Exceptions To It Me. Apr 2017 #45

I absoluely agree with your points Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #50

He Does Have A Good Record Me. Apr 2017 #66

Well so far it goes back about 25 years in Sanders case Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #83

Not ONE man. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #59

Good Then If It's Not One Man In The Form Of BS Me. Apr 2017 #89

I said the party can't prosper if Bernie's ideas and supporters are made unwelcome. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #93

Why do you say he is not going to run again? Samantha Apr 2017 #124

He'll be 79. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #129

Please tell me! Plucketeer Apr 2017 #60

It's An Issue Me. Apr 2017 #86

OK Plucketeer Apr 2017 #122

Yeah, go figure. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #72

The Democratic Party lost it's way at some point, and if you are in denial about it. Well YOHABLO Apr 2017 #84

That's just someone's bullshit agenda.. The Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #133

Ah Hell No.. not even close.. he just thinks it does. Cha Apr 2017 #132

Nonsense Cary Apr 2017 #11

No we will battle voter suppression and win delisen Apr 2017 #26

Everyone in the party agrees we need to battle voter suppression. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #32

As I asked elsewhere on DU a few days ago, if we're losing to candidates that are further right.... George II Apr 2017 #34

If i offer you quakerboy Apr 2017 #52

I really don't see how your analogy fits into this discussion. George II Apr 2017 #56

Me either. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #110

You don't have to be. Just respect others who find his values an important complement to the party. JudyM Apr 2017 #9

Respect has to be earned Cary Apr 2017 #12

I'm sorry you don't respect him, but if you respect Schumer, Pelosi and Perez you may reconsider JudyM Apr 2017 #15

You see him as a huge asset-isn't that enough? delisen Apr 2017 #37

People who claim to be big on supporting the party might actually give some weight to what the party JudyM Apr 2017 #39

I think people do evaluate but ultimately we have to make delisen Apr 2017 #51

Very true, and respect is a two-way street. George II Apr 2017 #35

Me neither. I'm not now, and never will be. n/t Tess49 Apr 2017 #78

So Does That Mean That Anti-Choice People Who Get elected To The Dem Party Me. Apr 2017 #3

No, Roe v Wade is actually the litmus test they are using. JudyM Apr 2017 #17

That Doesn't Make Sense Me. Apr 2017 #18

They can take the position Teddy Kennedy and Mario Cuomo took: Ken Burch Apr 2017 #40

Good Point Me. Apr 2017 #46

Schummer endorsed Bob Casey Jr. progressoid Apr 2017 #19

And Clinton used him as a surragate during her presidential run Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #22

That's right. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42

Bob Casey is a Liberal Populist. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #115

Sure. He is a valid Democrat if you don't rule him out on Prolife grounds Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #116

Go check what you're saying compared to what is actually recorded would be a good start. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #117

No offense intended but I really don't understand what you are trying to communicate here n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #120

Didn't he speak at the convention too? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #57

Yeah I think so. progressoid Apr 2017 #63

25% is too high for them and not high enough for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #68

Alt-quote? N/t safeinOhio Apr 2017 #4

it was his response to ossoff and referring to anti choice types as progressive JI7 Apr 2017 #5

Yes, they're purposely glossing over BS endorsing Mello as a "progressive" Cha Apr 2017 #135

You left off this important part of the quote/background info: JudyM Apr 2017 #7

Thank you for that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #43

Ken, I have agreed with you often. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #75

wonder what bernie would say about someone who didnt support mopinko Apr 2017 #10

We currently have several senators with pro life beliefs actually Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #14

excellent post ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #23

Me too !!! pangaia Apr 2017 #33

And I remember that were told, in the Eighties, that we HAD to let Casey speak Ken Burch Apr 2017 #36

Excellent post. This should be an op. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #55

Yup. +1 nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #100

Knowledge Is Power.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #130

Nice try, but ... gong frazzled Apr 2017 #20

Looks like the Unity Tour wasn't so unifying after all. ..nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #27

Even his former press secretary said he wasn't right for the Unity Tour NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #30

I got an email about that. wildeyed Apr 2017 #64

Nice rry, but... gong Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #44

Well done! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #58

Neither OR or Sanders was supporting Ossoff. Bernie got called on it and issued the second seaglass Apr 2017 #85

You seem confusd about his role Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #140

Since you are so clear about his role as Chairman of Outreach, why don't you explain what that role seaglass Apr 2017 #141

Honestly you should ask Chuck Schumer. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #142

"not a progressive" - where did that quote come from? spirald Apr 2017 #95

It came from post #20 above. And I was correcting it with my post Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #102

my bad, I'll ask #20 spirald Apr 2017 #109

It isn't fictitious though. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #127

He said ""He is not a progressive" to the Washington Post frazzled Apr 2017 #125

That's A Two-Fer For The Knowledge Is Power Thread Post Response.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #131

Please identify the source of "he dismissed Ossoff as "not a progressive"" spirald Apr 2017 #114

Sure: "He's not a progressive," he said. (Washington Post, April 19, 2017) frazzled Apr 2017 #123

Looks like David Weigel is responsible. spirald Apr 2017 #126

Because he said it to the Washington Post frazzled Apr 2017 #128

Still not buying it spirald Apr 2017 #138

Well stated, frazzled.. BS created this whole shit-storm Cha Apr 2017 #136

IMO, Sanders hurt us in '16 election to some degree (likely small), but I agree with THAT statement. Hoyt Apr 2017 #28

The Democratic issue is simple on this, it is about choice. A person can be still_one Apr 2017 #31

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #38

Great post, Ken. mac56 Apr 2017 #41

I don't care what Bernie says or does, or thinks, or talks about or anything else. leftofcool Apr 2017 #47

I'm only bringing it up because the guy's being accused of taking a horrible position Ken Burch Apr 2017 #53

Word n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #104

No, that's not what people are upset at. You know that. Stop playing games. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #107

That is what people are upset with. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #113

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #121

Here is the problem with this defense of Bernie. Jakes Progress Apr 2017 #48

But, if a candidate is against say Single Payer, but progressive on everything else.... Yavin4 Apr 2017 #49

No. We have't actually had a candidate like that, though. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #54

I'm curious as to why you think Obama or Hillary doesn't qualify Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #69

If I have this right, the candidate Bernie is supporting is running to be mayor of Omaha Ken Burch Apr 2017 #73

Fair enough Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #88

Choice Is Never A Moot Point Me. Apr 2017 #94

There are two candidates in the Omaha mayor's race Ken Burch Apr 2017 #97

Pro-Choice Now Me. Apr 2017 #103

To be honest I think we keep personal belief pro-choice Democrats on the reservation with scrutiny Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #106

On THis Post We Can Agree Me. Apr 2017 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #76

I actually agree that if the party plans to be competitive in all 50 states, wildeyed Apr 2017 #61

Some compromise is necessary, but never when it comes to basic human rights. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #81

yawn elmac Apr 2017 #62

In Europe it's called "coalition politics". mwooldri Apr 2017 #65

Pragmatism's now hip? OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #67

+1, It's amazing! I'm going to have one of those umbrella drinks! R B Garr Apr 2017 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #70

Bernie is saying that in order to win you need to compromise randr Apr 2017 #71

For the record, this current discussion started because Bernie endorsed somebody for mayor of Omaha Ken Burch Apr 2017 #79

I think Bernie H2O Man Apr 2017 #77

I don't agree with Bernie in this particular case bekkilyn Apr 2017 #80

The Primary is over and has been for some time SirBrockington Apr 2017 #82

Correct. And attacks on Bernie Sanders are still increasing in recent days Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #111

Unless he is willing to say the same thing about economic issues dsc Apr 2017 #87

Not true. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #90

says you dsc Apr 2017 #96

He actually has compromised on economics Ken Burch Apr 2017 #98

and he would accept such heresy in the case of economics? dsc Apr 2017 #105

The attacks on Bernie are unwarrented, Mello is not being given any trust at all here flamingdem Apr 2017 #91

That statement is correct, but... mcar Apr 2017 #92

He didn't cast doubt opon Ossoff spirald Apr 2017 #99

That would count as casting doubt mcar Apr 2017 #101

The casting of doubt was done by whoever spun his response, not him. spirald Apr 2017 #118

The other quote floating around is also suspect and is big spin Rilgin Apr 2017 #137

Funny. This wide tent benefit of the doubt wasn't given to Corey Booker or Joe Manchin here on DU. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #108

He has repeatedly called for a 50 state strategy Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #134

That must be why BS endorsed so few Progressive dog Apr 2017 #139