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spirald

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118. The casting of doubt was done by whoever spun his response, not him.

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:01 PM

Apr 2017

The problem here is that Bernie answered the question frankly. At the time, Ossoff didn't neccessarily call himself a progressive as he wasn't concerned with labels.

Bernie's response was spun to generate a factional war among the left. Bernie is more of an honest, frank individual than a savvy message crafter, and that is certainly a liability here. Media has a field day spinning what Bernie says because he doesn't spin-proof his statements- this is part of why he comes across as authentic, and it is a vulnerability in a sense.

We have a situation where a specific fictitious quote of Bernie is floating around ("not a progressive&quot that I suspect was the spark of this, and I think tracking it down and finding the perpetrator will be very informative.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

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I don't understand why I have to be enamored with Sanders. Cary Apr 2017 #2

You don't have to be enamored. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #6

The Entire Future Of The Dem Party Depends On A Man Me. Apr 2017 #8

Write to Schumer and Perez, see how they respond. JudyM Apr 2017 #13

If They Think So, Dems Have A Real Problem Me. Apr 2017 #16

They appear to be pretty convinced that his alliance is important, that doesn't mean the whole party JudyM Apr 2017 #21

What I Noticed The Weekend Me. Apr 2017 #25

They know enough to keep their eye on the future Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #29

Not the party, no. But winnig elections depends on winning Independent votes Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #24

While You Have a point, I Will Point Out 2 Exceptions To It Me. Apr 2017 #45

I absoluely agree with your points Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #50

He Does Have A Good Record Me. Apr 2017 #66

Well so far it goes back about 25 years in Sanders case Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #83

Not ONE man. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #59

Good Then If It's Not One Man In The Form Of BS Me. Apr 2017 #89

I said the party can't prosper if Bernie's ideas and supporters are made unwelcome. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #93

Why do you say he is not going to run again? Samantha Apr 2017 #124

He'll be 79. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #129

Please tell me! Plucketeer Apr 2017 #60

It's An Issue Me. Apr 2017 #86

OK Plucketeer Apr 2017 #122

Yeah, go figure. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #72

The Democratic Party lost it's way at some point, and if you are in denial about it. Well YOHABLO Apr 2017 #84

That's just someone's bullshit agenda.. The Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #133

Ah Hell No.. not even close.. he just thinks it does. Cha Apr 2017 #132

Nonsense Cary Apr 2017 #11

No we will battle voter suppression and win delisen Apr 2017 #26

Everyone in the party agrees we need to battle voter suppression. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #32

As I asked elsewhere on DU a few days ago, if we're losing to candidates that are further right.... George II Apr 2017 #34

If i offer you quakerboy Apr 2017 #52

I really don't see how your analogy fits into this discussion. George II Apr 2017 #56

Me either. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #110

You don't have to be. Just respect others who find his values an important complement to the party. JudyM Apr 2017 #9

Respect has to be earned Cary Apr 2017 #12

I'm sorry you don't respect him, but if you respect Schumer, Pelosi and Perez you may reconsider JudyM Apr 2017 #15

You see him as a huge asset-isn't that enough? delisen Apr 2017 #37

People who claim to be big on supporting the party might actually give some weight to what the party JudyM Apr 2017 #39

I think people do evaluate but ultimately we have to make delisen Apr 2017 #51

Very true, and respect is a two-way street. George II Apr 2017 #35

Me neither. I'm not now, and never will be. n/t Tess49 Apr 2017 #78

So Does That Mean That Anti-Choice People Who Get elected To The Dem Party Me. Apr 2017 #3

No, Roe v Wade is actually the litmus test they are using. JudyM Apr 2017 #17

That Doesn't Make Sense Me. Apr 2017 #18

They can take the position Teddy Kennedy and Mario Cuomo took: Ken Burch Apr 2017 #40

Good Point Me. Apr 2017 #46

Schummer endorsed Bob Casey Jr. progressoid Apr 2017 #19

And Clinton used him as a surragate during her presidential run Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #22

That's right. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42

Bob Casey is a Liberal Populist. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #115

Sure. He is a valid Democrat if you don't rule him out on Prolife grounds Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #116

Go check what you're saying compared to what is actually recorded would be a good start. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #117

No offense intended but I really don't understand what you are trying to communicate here n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #120

Didn't he speak at the convention too? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #57

Yeah I think so. progressoid Apr 2017 #63

25% is too high for them and not high enough for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #68

Alt-quote? N/t safeinOhio Apr 2017 #4

it was his response to ossoff and referring to anti choice types as progressive JI7 Apr 2017 #5

Yes, they're purposely glossing over BS endorsing Mello as a "progressive" Cha Apr 2017 #135

You left off this important part of the quote/background info: JudyM Apr 2017 #7

Thank you for that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #43

Ken, I have agreed with you often. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #75

wonder what bernie would say about someone who didnt support mopinko Apr 2017 #10

We currently have several senators with pro life beliefs actually Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #14

excellent post ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #23

Me too !!! pangaia Apr 2017 #33

And I remember that were told, in the Eighties, that we HAD to let Casey speak Ken Burch Apr 2017 #36

Excellent post. This should be an op. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #55

Yup. +1 nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #100

Knowledge Is Power.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #130

Nice try, but ... gong frazzled Apr 2017 #20

Looks like the Unity Tour wasn't so unifying after all. ..nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #27

Even his former press secretary said he wasn't right for the Unity Tour NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #30

I got an email about that. wildeyed Apr 2017 #64

Nice rry, but... gong Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #44

Well done! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #58

Neither OR or Sanders was supporting Ossoff. Bernie got called on it and issued the second seaglass Apr 2017 #85

You seem confusd about his role Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #140

Since you are so clear about his role as Chairman of Outreach, why don't you explain what that role seaglass Apr 2017 #141

Honestly you should ask Chuck Schumer. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #142

"not a progressive" - where did that quote come from? spirald Apr 2017 #95

It came from post #20 above. And I was correcting it with my post Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #102

my bad, I'll ask #20 spirald Apr 2017 #109

It isn't fictitious though. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #127

He said ""He is not a progressive" to the Washington Post frazzled Apr 2017 #125

That's A Two-Fer For The Knowledge Is Power Thread Post Response.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #131

Please identify the source of "he dismissed Ossoff as "not a progressive"" spirald Apr 2017 #114

Sure: "He's not a progressive," he said. (Washington Post, April 19, 2017) frazzled Apr 2017 #123

Looks like David Weigel is responsible. spirald Apr 2017 #126

Because he said it to the Washington Post frazzled Apr 2017 #128

Still not buying it spirald Apr 2017 #138

Well stated, frazzled.. BS created this whole shit-storm Cha Apr 2017 #136

IMO, Sanders hurt us in '16 election to some degree (likely small), but I agree with THAT statement. Hoyt Apr 2017 #28

The Democratic issue is simple on this, it is about choice. A person can be still_one Apr 2017 #31

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #38

Great post, Ken. mac56 Apr 2017 #41

I don't care what Bernie says or does, or thinks, or talks about or anything else. leftofcool Apr 2017 #47

I'm only bringing it up because the guy's being accused of taking a horrible position Ken Burch Apr 2017 #53

Word n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #104

No, that's not what people are upset at. You know that. Stop playing games. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #107

That is what people are upset with. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #113

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #121

Here is the problem with this defense of Bernie. Jakes Progress Apr 2017 #48

But, if a candidate is against say Single Payer, but progressive on everything else.... Yavin4 Apr 2017 #49

No. We have't actually had a candidate like that, though. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #54

I'm curious as to why you think Obama or Hillary doesn't qualify Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #69

If I have this right, the candidate Bernie is supporting is running to be mayor of Omaha Ken Burch Apr 2017 #73

Fair enough Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #88

Choice Is Never A Moot Point Me. Apr 2017 #94

There are two candidates in the Omaha mayor's race Ken Burch Apr 2017 #97

Pro-Choice Now Me. Apr 2017 #103

To be honest I think we keep personal belief pro-choice Democrats on the reservation with scrutiny Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #106

On THis Post We Can Agree Me. Apr 2017 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #76

I actually agree that if the party plans to be competitive in all 50 states, wildeyed Apr 2017 #61

Some compromise is necessary, but never when it comes to basic human rights. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #81

yawn elmac Apr 2017 #62

In Europe it's called "coalition politics". mwooldri Apr 2017 #65

Pragmatism's now hip? OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #67

+1, It's amazing! I'm going to have one of those umbrella drinks! R B Garr Apr 2017 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #70

Bernie is saying that in order to win you need to compromise randr Apr 2017 #71

For the record, this current discussion started because Bernie endorsed somebody for mayor of Omaha Ken Burch Apr 2017 #79

I think Bernie H2O Man Apr 2017 #77

I don't agree with Bernie in this particular case bekkilyn Apr 2017 #80

The Primary is over and has been for some time SirBrockington Apr 2017 #82

Correct. And attacks on Bernie Sanders are still increasing in recent days Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #111

Unless he is willing to say the same thing about economic issues dsc Apr 2017 #87

Not true. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #90

says you dsc Apr 2017 #96

He actually has compromised on economics Ken Burch Apr 2017 #98

and he would accept such heresy in the case of economics? dsc Apr 2017 #105

The attacks on Bernie are unwarrented, Mello is not being given any trust at all here flamingdem Apr 2017 #91

That statement is correct, but... mcar Apr 2017 #92

He didn't cast doubt opon Ossoff spirald Apr 2017 #99

That would count as casting doubt mcar Apr 2017 #101

The casting of doubt was done by whoever spun his response, not him. spirald Apr 2017 #118

The other quote floating around is also suspect and is big spin Rilgin Apr 2017 #137

Funny. This wide tent benefit of the doubt wasn't given to Corey Booker or Joe Manchin here on DU. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #108

He has repeatedly called for a 50 state strategy Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #134

That must be why BS endorsed so few Progressive dog Apr 2017 #139