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Akamai

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17. As Spock would say, "That's illogical." If Trump suddenly turn into one who supported

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 08:46 AM

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women's rights, but he continued to carry on all of his terrible programs, would you decide that suddenly he was looking fairly good as compared to Hillary?

How about if (pick the tyrant in history) suddenly said that he/she was for women's choice, that would endear that person to you? No matter how many people were killed, tortured, mistreated?

You're committing the "fallacy of perfection" in which you actually believe there is a perfection out there and will sacrifice everything to get it. But history tells us there has never been a perfect golden period in the past, and there will not be one in the future. Similarly, there is no person who is "perfect" on all major points, and this includes the leaders of the Democratic Party.

Also, of course, it is important to realize that a lot of charlatans will say anything at all to get elected, and so even if people say that they are totally for women's rights, they may well be wolves in sheep's clothing.

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Yesterday some top Dems supported other Dems with Right to Life views [View all] Akamai Apr 2017 OP

You don't see the problem with insisting we must run progressive canididates and Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #1

Please tell Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin they don't understand politics, then. Explain to Sanders Akamai Apr 2017 #2

I already called their offices. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #4

I believe this is exactly was is going on: Ligyron Apr 2017 #21

I agree with you on this! Akamai Apr 2017 #60

Partially is being too generous melman Apr 2017 #58

Yup, Yup, Yup, Yup, Yup. Akamai Apr 2017 #61

He might be, time will tell. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #20

I don't have a problem with pro-life views. I do have a problem with those views Vinca Apr 2017 #3

The thing that makes me so angry is the idea that women can Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #5

Did you read Omaha Steve's excellent clarification of the mischaracterization of Akamai Apr 2017 #6

Was this misrepresented? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #7

That if true, is of concern. But one does not know if it is true, what the circumstances were, etc. Akamai Apr 2017 #8

This out of the way mayoral race was a catalyst for division ehrnst Apr 2017 #11

Omaha is the 44th ranked U.S. metrolpolitan area based by population Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #22

Exactly. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #40

It is true. See below. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #29

Yes, true in 2010 Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #43

He is not in the legislature anymore...you have no idea how he would vote today...we can only go by Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #45

That and the pledges he now makes Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #46

He should not have been endorsed...voting for him given his anti-choice voting Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #47

thank you for this much-needed clarification ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #10

Yes we read Steve's gratuitous smears of Tim Kaine, who has a solid Pro-Choice voting record. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #27

Mello supported NE 1103 Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #31

Democrats aren't going to get elected without their strong support for social justice issues ehrnst Apr 2017 #9

I agree, and certainly Pelosi, Durbin, Schumer, and Sanders (among many other progressives) are Akamai Apr 2017 #13

This is what Durbin actually said-from the article Progressive dog Apr 2017 #12

Mello has repeatedly said (as did JFK) that although he is personally opposed to abortion, he would Akamai Apr 2017 #15

That does not make sense given his voting record... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #35

Are Pelosi and Durbin deluded about Mello? Are they lacking in knowledge? Akamai Apr 2017 #37

Durbin said that pro-life belief is not a deal breaker if you don't vote against choice...you know Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #39

Mello's actual action about abortion Progressive dog Apr 2017 #55

I'm pro-choice. Period. It's one of those issues that is not negotiable, as far as I'm concerned. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #14

As Spock would say, "That's illogical." If Trump suddenly turn into one who supported Akamai Apr 2017 #17

I don't think you're reading my post correctly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #18

I like Bernie. I don't know why he felt compelled to praise Mello as a progressive. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #32

Jane Kleeb is the chair of the Democratic Party in nebraska. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #48

Thanks for the info. Makes perfect sense. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #49

Yes...I could not understand selecting a mayor's race before I found this out. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #50

No. They aren't suddenly holding Sanders to a different standard. kcr Apr 2017 #34

so it dials back to being pissed that Bernie wants to "change the party" or whatever. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #56

Why are you dragging HRC into this? She has a solid pro-choice record and has fought emulatorloo Apr 2017 #28

So, given that there are two people in a race Bettie Apr 2017 #25

I agree with your last sentence. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #54

Given where I live, we often need to concede Bettie Apr 2017 #57

Lucky you. Grampa Reefer Madness and the Pig Castration Lady. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #59

The perfect is the enemy of the good except when it comes to trade and guns. LexVegas Apr 2017 #16

Pelosi and Durbin aren't ideological purists. They don't have a holier-than-thou attitude. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #19

The only people bitching back and forth are the hard core Hillary and hard core Bernie people snooper2 Apr 2017 #23

It is the 21st fucking century and it seems like DURHAM D Apr 2017 #24

When you vote to deny women health care coverage for abortion as Mellow did... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #41

Correct. nt DURHAM D Apr 2017 #44

Mello is running for mayor. Not House or Senate. Ossoff is running for the House. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #26

Who said Mello was a real, extreme progressive? No one I know. Akamai Apr 2017 #38

Who said anyone called Mello an "extreme progressive" No one I know. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #42

I don't see Mello as very progressive either, but in a city race where the other is a true Akamai Apr 2017 #51

Can a person be a Republican and still believe in abortion and birth control? OregonBlue Apr 2017 #30

How do you feel about not allowing insurance to cover abortion? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #36

"Believe in abortion"? What does this phrasing even mean? WinkyDink Apr 2017 #64

That women have the right to decide whether to carry a fetus to term or not. OregonBlue Apr 2017 #66

Other leaders don't put a purity test on a pathway to citizenship for tens of millions. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #33

Yes Dems CAN be right to lifers...they just cant... samnsara Apr 2017 #52

You're right -- and Mello has said that he would not impose his views on others. Akamai Apr 2017 #62

The Democratic term is not "right to life." It is "anti-choice." Another non-negotiable. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #65

The "right-to-life" group is a religious organization benpollard Apr 2017 #53

Women's Rights are non-negotiable, THE SAME WAY MEN'S RIGHTS ARE. End of story. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #63