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In reply to the discussion: So today's thing is Tim Kaine bashing. Wonder what tomorrow will bring. [View all]He has introduced bills that propose a 20 week BAN and against telemedicine (here is the link I forgot which explains why these right wing attacks on choice are a bad idea medically, from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists: http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Increasing-Access-to-Abortion)
He introduced these bills, he sponsored them, there was no compromise. It wasn't the only way ... at all. He isn't compromising here, and this is totally ridiculous to focus deeply on something that was literally pointless because these things are already being done, and ignoring the 20 week ban and the attacks on telemedicine, which rural Nebraskans really need. It's a wrong thing to do, because he actively promoted the right wing agenda, against common sense, the doctors warnings etc. DOING WHAT HE DID IS THE WRONG THING TO DO.
I could care less about his politics or his religion, I care about his actions, they are bad, they are scary, they are wrong, they are dangerous. I don't care about what he's saying now, when we already know he is on the wrong side of important issues. Pro Keystone, pro abortion bans, anti-access to healthcare.
There are people who are against abortion, who cite their religion and who still do not actively try to kill women while ignoring the doctors who keep telling them how dangerous these anti-choice measures are and why. We are not a party that supports right wing extremists who on their own sponsor legislation that seeks to harm women, disrupt care and seeks to target doctors. We are not a party that thinks that people who create this legislation is okay. Please tell me where the DNC, Pelosi or any of these anti-abortion dems are sponsoring legislation like this man did.
Kaine has never to my knowledge sought to ban abortion, prevent doctors from accessing patients or anything else. Evidence of his record matching this right wing extremist would be good. Also, looking at the actual bills I keep mentioning and that keep being ignored to spin on an ultrasound thing that was literally pointless, since state laws, professional ones and federal ones ALREADY require informed consent for women, including the right to view ultrasounds and have their questions answered.
Where does the DNC or any Democrat routinely sponsor Abortion bans? No matter how shitty one might think Hillary's VP might have been, he's never done that, but this right winger has. Why so much bile upon Kaine but so much blind defense of this guy for something he did not do?
What about violating women's basic human rights makes me so angry? Are you serious? This is a man who sought to attack women at their most vulnerable, who targets poor women in rural areas, who thinks forcing his religion on women, regardless of its effect on their lives, their bodies, their health and their being alive, and he's being touted as a "true progressive" by a man who thinks he gets to decide what that is?
I have issues with Mello, AND with Bernie, this is abhorrent. And he keeps saying how we must not be rigid on protecting women from death, from harassment, from sadistic abuse, that their lives don't matter. He's betraying his every stump speech, and the women who supported him and the progressives who thought he was one of us.
This is hypocrisy, and stop this both siderism. The purity folks were attacking Hillary for working with Republicans on actual compromise, are insisting that this extreme right winger who compromised not at all needs to be defended, poorly, but defended as potshots are taken at the party, it's candidate and her supporters.
Why aren't YOU angry? You know this man is not a progressive and you're working so hard to defend him by picking and choosing arguments. His "compromise" on ultrasound wasn't one, and his own record on abortion bans, telemedicine and his gung ho support of Keystone are things that were used as purity tests for Hillary, why is this okay, simply because it's Bernie?
Mello is no progressive, and Bernie should know that, that he's happy to compromise on such basic things to call this regressive a "true progressive" should be drawing scorn and criticism from anyone who is progressive, instead there are all these lame defenses (and I'm sorry, but ignoring his actual record to echo the spin on the ultra sound, as if that's the worst thing he's done, is lame). The hypocrisy here is thick and deep, but it's unidirectional.
I don't care which of the three candidates anyone favor, or even if anyone was on the Lessig or Webb trains, there is literally no excuse for NOT calling this the wrong headed, utterly hypocritical SNAFU that it truly is.
Bernie was wrong, he made a mistake, and he's doubling down on it, to promote a regressive right winger who was in favor of Keystone and against women's basic human rights, there is no defense of that. Get angry. Demand more. Hold people accountable, EVERYONE, not just the people you don't like. Please take a moment to read the ACOG position paper, which will hopefully explain to you the reason for the anger at Bernie and the people who are brushing aside what Mello has stood for and why it is insupportable.