Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Vesper

(229 posts)
68. Umm no.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 01:35 PM
Apr 2017

He has introduced bills that propose a 20 week BAN and against telemedicine (here is the link I forgot which explains why these right wing attacks on choice are a bad idea medically, from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists: http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Increasing-Access-to-Abortion)

He introduced these bills, he sponsored them, there was no compromise. It wasn't the only way ... at all. He isn't compromising here, and this is totally ridiculous to focus deeply on something that was literally pointless because these things are already being done, and ignoring the 20 week ban and the attacks on telemedicine, which rural Nebraskans really need. It's a wrong thing to do, because he actively promoted the right wing agenda, against common sense, the doctors warnings etc. DOING WHAT HE DID IS THE WRONG THING TO DO.

I could care less about his politics or his religion, I care about his actions, they are bad, they are scary, they are wrong, they are dangerous. I don't care about what he's saying now, when we already know he is on the wrong side of important issues. Pro Keystone, pro abortion bans, anti-access to healthcare.

There are people who are against abortion, who cite their religion and who still do not actively try to kill women while ignoring the doctors who keep telling them how dangerous these anti-choice measures are and why. We are not a party that supports right wing extremists who on their own sponsor legislation that seeks to harm women, disrupt care and seeks to target doctors. We are not a party that thinks that people who create this legislation is okay. Please tell me where the DNC, Pelosi or any of these anti-abortion dems are sponsoring legislation like this man did.

Kaine has never to my knowledge sought to ban abortion, prevent doctors from accessing patients or anything else. Evidence of his record matching this right wing extremist would be good. Also, looking at the actual bills I keep mentioning and that keep being ignored to spin on an ultrasound thing that was literally pointless, since state laws, professional ones and federal ones ALREADY require informed consent for women, including the right to view ultrasounds and have their questions answered.

Where does the DNC or any Democrat routinely sponsor Abortion bans? No matter how shitty one might think Hillary's VP might have been, he's never done that, but this right winger has. Why so much bile upon Kaine but so much blind defense of this guy for something he did not do?

What about violating women's basic human rights makes me so angry? Are you serious? This is a man who sought to attack women at their most vulnerable, who targets poor women in rural areas, who thinks forcing his religion on women, regardless of its effect on their lives, their bodies, their health and their being alive, and he's being touted as a "true progressive" by a man who thinks he gets to decide what that is?

I have issues with Mello, AND with Bernie, this is abhorrent. And he keeps saying how we must not be rigid on protecting women from death, from harassment, from sadistic abuse, that their lives don't matter. He's betraying his every stump speech, and the women who supported him and the progressives who thought he was one of us.

This is hypocrisy, and stop this both siderism. The purity folks were attacking Hillary for working with Republicans on actual compromise, are insisting that this extreme right winger who compromised not at all needs to be defended, poorly, but defended as potshots are taken at the party, it's candidate and her supporters.

Why aren't YOU angry? You know this man is not a progressive and you're working so hard to defend him by picking and choosing arguments. His "compromise" on ultrasound wasn't one, and his own record on abortion bans, telemedicine and his gung ho support of Keystone are things that were used as purity tests for Hillary, why is this okay, simply because it's Bernie?

Mello is no progressive, and Bernie should know that, that he's happy to compromise on such basic things to call this regressive a "true progressive" should be drawing scorn and criticism from anyone who is progressive, instead there are all these lame defenses (and I'm sorry, but ignoring his actual record to echo the spin on the ultra sound, as if that's the worst thing he's done, is lame). The hypocrisy here is thick and deep, but it's unidirectional.

I don't care which of the three candidates anyone favor, or even if anyone was on the Lessig or Webb trains, there is literally no excuse for NOT calling this the wrong headed, utterly hypocritical SNAFU that it truly is.

Bernie was wrong, he made a mistake, and he's doubling down on it, to promote a regressive right winger who was in favor of Keystone and against women's basic human rights, there is no defense of that. Get angry. Demand more. Hold people accountable, EVERYONE, not just the people you don't like. Please take a moment to read the ACOG position paper, which will hopefully explain to you the reason for the anger at Bernie and the people who are brushing aside what Mello has stood for and why it is insupportable.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

What gets me in this whole thing is the purists are telling us to be practical now. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
Likewise, the Sensible Pragmatics are now calling for purity after QC Apr 2017 #5
I think the pragmatics here are reminding some people a woman's right to choose is not negotiable. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #11
I agree, but I also felt the same way about LGBT equality QC Apr 2017 #14
Ponies? I don't understand your meaning here. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #16
That was before your time. QC Apr 2017 #17
Yes I get it now. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #18
LGBTQ equality was only opposed by one candidate, Vesper Apr 2017 #52
Do you honestly deny that there was a purge of LGBT members here? QC Apr 2017 #63
I have no idea. While I've read this site along with several other progressive blogs, Vesper Apr 2017 #69
Love you and will always stand with ya. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #19
My pleasure She! hrmjustin Apr 2017 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Apr 2017 #32
And you've determined JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #31
Who is calling for purity? Vesper Apr 2017 #50
Not being female, I don't think I have a right to judge how the law should be on this Kentonio Apr 2017 #57
It's also worth mentioning that those countries in Europe also have no restrictions Vesper Apr 2017 #58
Absolutely agree on the other issues involved. Kentonio Apr 2017 #59
This is not even remotely equivalent. Vesper Apr 2017 #60
This guy is not the same as the GOP Kentonio Apr 2017 #61
Pro Keystone, proposed 20 week ban, anti telemedicine, pro ultrasound legislation. Vesper Apr 2017 #66
From what I understand Kentonio Apr 2017 #67
Umm no. Vesper Apr 2017 #68
You seem to misunderstand Kentonio Apr 2017 #70
Purists? KPN Apr 2017 #56
According to my cycle we should be back to Hillary eating babies for breakfast. nt William769 Apr 2017 #2
I thought.. sarah FAILIN Apr 2017 #7
Please. Anything even remotely critical of her is instantly removed nt m-lekktor Apr 2017 #8
We must be Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #27
Lol sheshe2 Apr 2017 #34
LOL betsuni Apr 2017 #36
They're not fooling me. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #3
it's one poster JI7 Apr 2017 #4
Can you point me in the right direction? Kingofalldems Apr 2017 #9
Just A Guess.... Grassy Knoll Apr 2017 #24
That should have been taken down. Kingofalldems Apr 2017 #29
Two. n/t tammywammy Apr 2017 #10
It's not bashing melman Apr 2017 #6
"how utterly full of shit and phony all the outrage threads" Cha Apr 2017 #12
Yep. smh. nt m-lekktor Apr 2017 #15
Well given that the premise of the thread is false, it doesn't "point out" anything. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #25
Any deception is justified in pursuit of power and privilege BainsBane Apr 2017 #40
A big part of it is some can't accept that Bernie is human, makes mistakes emulatorloo Apr 2017 #65
Oh please! leftofcool Apr 2017 #26
It's fabricating to justify denying women equal rights BainsBane Apr 2017 #38
And how does this disruptive meta nonsense help? mythology Apr 2017 #13
It's not "meta" ... NOT challenging it, is to accept it and normalize it. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #21
it's only META if it's our side. William769 Apr 2017 #23
Thank you! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #28
Let it go or never let it go? Which is it? elias7 Apr 2017 #62
Figure it out yourself. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #64
The bothsiderism needs to stop. It is not both sides. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
Same group goes around yelling about pimaring Manchin. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2017 #22
and then use Machine as an example to defend BainsBane Apr 2017 #42
Tim Kaine actually does suck though Calculating Apr 2017 #30
He doesn't suck in terms of being anti-choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #43
"Tim Kaine is pro-choice, not pro-death" Cha Apr 2017 #33
Well it's usually Michael Moore and Bill Mahr making the rounds as punching bags. miyazaki Apr 2017 #35
We'll probably be hearing about women politicians who have given birth BainsBane Apr 2017 #37
Wait, what? Vesper Apr 2017 #45
Sorry, it was adoption BainsBane Apr 2017 #47
Wow. Vesper Apr 2017 #54
As someone said, it's gaslighting BainsBane Apr 2017 #55
Yeah, the giddiness over finding a sleazy tactic to smear R B Garr Apr 2017 #39
I see it differntly BainsBane Apr 2017 #41
Very plausible. There is definitely a pattern R B Garr Apr 2017 #49
If Twitter is anything to go by, another round of attacking Chelsea. Vesper Apr 2017 #44
What now? BainsBane Apr 2017 #48
The usual, her name, her parents, the fact that she breathes, is well educated, Vesper Apr 2017 #53
Longest... Snackshack Apr 2017 #51
I looking forward to the next silly line of attack Gothmog Apr 2017 #71
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»So today's thing is Tim K...»Reply #68