Trickle down social justice will work out just as well as trickle down economics did.

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20. No, I don't.

But neither do I think that advocating for affordable health care and for strong unions is limited to "straight white men", nor is it at "the expense of everyone else".

Not following you - also, what did I "Shit" on?

You shit on advocating for affordable health care, higher taxes on the wealthy and strong unions as though success with these issues will not help make right sexism, racism, nationalism and homophobia in this country. You dismiss it as "trickle down social justice".

I don't see how higher taxes on the wealthy will do anything for sexism, racism, nationalism and homophobia so you can have that.

I do not claim that things are OK everywhere - that's the whole point!

I gave you an example from my own experience, that being in a strong union has had a positive effect on economic and social justice.

That means that advocating for strong unions can have a positive effect on on economic and social justice in other places where it isn't happening yet. In what way does advocating for strong and effective collective bargaining occur at "the expense of everyone else"? We straight white males and "everyone else" should advocate for affordable health care, and strong unions everywhere we don't already have it!

There is no reason to tell those of us who are not straight white men that our issues are merely "identity politics."

There's no reason to tell those of us who are straight white men that advocacy on affordable heath care and strong unions occurs at your expense.

Women and girls die when they don't have access to affordable safe reproductive health care.

Well DUH! My wife has survived three cancer surgeries and it hasn't ruined us financially because we have affordable heath care as a result of my strong union.

LGBTQs die when they lose their jobs and health care when they are not a protected class.

LGBTQs in my union are completely covered and protected in part because of my strong union. LGBTQs are welcome, and an unremarkably normal part of our work environment. That's the way it should be. That ain't trickle down - that's just plain justice.