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Tatiana

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170. Completely agree. Very sad to see what is going on.

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:06 PM

Apr 2017

This is re-fighting the primaries. There's no point. We lost. We have to move on and figure out how to fix this thing.

Yes, there are trolls. But we're allowing ourselves to be duped into fighting one another, instead of joining together to fight Team Trump. No one gives you 100% of what you want. No candidate. However, you make the best choice possible, given the options. There's nothing wrong with that.

In many ways, this board is like a microcosm of what has happened at the party level. The "Unity Tour" isn't totally united because we have two competing factions in the party. I'm starting to wish Howard Dean had gotten it. He has a stronger personality and more forceful will to do what needs to be done.

You're not going to be able to run a pro-abortion candidate in Alabama or Mississippi or Oklahoma or any of the other conservative states. That's just a fact. But we still need to be competitive in all 50 states as a party in order to win control of Congress back.

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This board is absolutely unreadable and it's not even an election year. [View all] Barack_America Apr 2017 OP

Thanks for this JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #1

I don't support anti abortion candidates. boston bean Apr 2017 #2

Okay. Are you being asked to vote for one? Barack_America Apr 2017 #4

In a way, yes I am. boston bean Apr 2017 #6

In what way? dumbcat Apr 2017 #17

I am a member of the Democratic Party. boston bean Apr 2017 #23

Another one issue candidate CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #124

I am not a one issue voter. But thanks anyways. boston bean Apr 2017 #128

Okay then, what are your answers to my questions? CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #129

I vote for democrats. boston bean Apr 2017 #130

Okay then, CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #132

She already stated unequivocally... and I quote... BrooklynTech Apr 2017 #137

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #160

So there is a need for Brooklyn to speak for Boston now? CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #163

If you want to have a private conversation there is a way to do that. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #231

I imagine you are a Southerner. moriah Apr 2017 #153

I don't recall asking you for your opinion, but ... CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #168

Well, bless your heart... moriah Apr 2017 #171

Well, bless your little heart CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #172

Apologies, you've built up a great post count and I presumed.. moriah Apr 2017 #175

No apologies necessary CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #197

Do you also feel this way about other issues? athena Apr 2017 #202

+1 & Burn! fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #218

Although I don't agree with you, I respect that LakeArenal Apr 2017 #24

I did once also - in 2016 DeeDeeNY Apr 2017 #63

An important point. Ligyron Apr 2017 #94

Tim Kaine is pro choice. brer cat Apr 2017 #122

In his own words quakerboy Apr 2017 #198

"The right role for government brer cat Apr 2017 #206

Because you knew you'd still get more from that candidate than the OTHER!! 7962 Apr 2017 #116

+ 1 xoxo musette_sf Apr 2017 #20

By anti abortion candidate, what do you mean? karynnj Apr 2017 #139

Tim Kaine. Agschmid Apr 2017 #224

Tim Kaine is not anti-abortion. athena Apr 2017 #230

K&R mvd Apr 2017 #3

He should be the focus, not anyone raging for the resistance Heartstrings Apr 2017 #19

LOL LOL Lib Apr 2017 #31

He is a Democratic figure according to this site mvd Apr 2017 #43

Yes. And the rules state no bashing members of the "Democratic coalition." Beartracks Apr 2017 #84

Thank you.👍🏽 HootieMcBoob Apr 2017 #112

So if I say I love Bernie but don't think he LOL Lib Apr 2017 #164

What do you consider Bernie Bashing? LOL Lib Apr 2017 #125

don't fall for it ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #131

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #145

Yes. Good public service announcement. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #151

Wrong! LOL Lib Apr 2017 #167

Clap Clap. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #186

It's bad you missed it, it was very good. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #188

I am Suuuure it was, nt sheshe2 Apr 2017 #192

Here is your fail burger for the day professor. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #166

Hey I have an idea. MGKrebs Apr 2017 #234

Listen to Admiral Ackbar! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #189

lol, excellent ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #233

He's not a Dem but we sure need votes from his followers - Dem or not ! ciaobaby Apr 2017 #148

"His followers" is an interesting way of putting that. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #220

Please don't forget active measures/trolls/provocateurs. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #5

Thanks for this reminder. Big Blue Marble Apr 2017 #11

They are out in force on Facebook. airmid Apr 2017 #86

Who, on our side, swallowed the fake news? Cary Apr 2017 #177

It's more than fake news, though. It's drowning Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #184

Vote Democratic Cary Apr 2017 #195

and don't forget that infuriating Sanders primary voters to sit out the general... Blue Ridge Virginia Apr 2017 #193

Welcome to DU. I too suspect Russian trolls and bots were and are at work. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2017 #205

I've resorted to trashing threads with various keywords. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #7

For now I'm trashing "Bernie" and "sanders" Mosby Apr 2017 #16

I just sat on my second jury of today leftynyc Apr 2017 #22

It's about time for my second Mosby Apr 2017 #27

First one this morning leftynyc Apr 2017 #103

I've been on 10 or 12 in the last few weeks OriginalGeek Apr 2017 #95

I hadn't really been taking note leftynyc Apr 2017 #106

I'm due as well. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #113

Me too. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #52

I've been on and off Mendocino Apr 2017 #53

I've been doing that for a while, but often I still have to trash threads. Squinch Apr 2017 #56

and it's not his supporters starting most of the threads. nt m-lekktor Apr 2017 #85

I get the 'divisive group attacks' one all the time. wildeyed Apr 2017 #180

Thank You!!! elfin Apr 2017 #8

Yea I pretty much got my ass handed to me when I stated to "stop now"... Heartstrings Apr 2017 #13

I find full timers posting the same thing everyday all day. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #93

Apparently not to some. I've got ONE that follows me all the time. 7962 Apr 2017 #123

Well, I am sure we could compare lists and Voila! There it is! LakeArenal Apr 2017 #134

I know the one you mean melman Apr 2017 #211

Sad. Making themselves feel better by bullying. JudyM Apr 2017 #181

Many of the most prolific posters melman Apr 2017 #212

Yes, I saw one with A LOT of posts, claim LakeArenal Apr 2017 #229

Thank you for a voice of reason... nt Heartstrings Apr 2017 #9

Core principles matter BainsBane Apr 2017 #10

+ 1 xoxo musette_sf Apr 2017 #18

You'll never find me declaring that women's rights are a distraction. Barack_America Apr 2017 #21

Core principles are great, necessary even... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #136

Absolutely. ehrnst Apr 2017 #46

and economic justice BainsBane Apr 2017 #48

"Women's rights are human rights, and human rights are women's rights." athena Apr 2017 #232

Because we care, we don't easily forgive and forget real or imagined rivalries. Orsino Apr 2017 #12

And to our inevitable defeat. Barack_America Apr 2017 #25

You will find that even if we are warned, ehrnst Apr 2017 #50

There's been a very strong divisive element introduced lately. ananda Apr 2017 #14

I believe that divisive element was intentional. ehrnst Apr 2017 #51

Asking onesself who benefits from a thing quakerboy Apr 2017 #200

Agree ananda Apr 2017 #223

We don't have to compromise on human rights. Period. JTFrog Apr 2017 #15

Fortunately for me, I didn't. Barack_America Apr 2017 #26

Well said! retrowire Apr 2017 #28

"C'mon DUers, we're better than this. We're smarter than this."--And gosh darn, people LIKE us! nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #29

Change is hard and systems resist change Fiendish Thingy Apr 2017 #30

There is no economic justice without social justice. ehrnst Apr 2017 #73

Yes, many get hung up on social justice issues Fiendish Thingy Apr 2017 #196

And there you go again discounting the rights of other people. stevenleser Apr 2017 #213

Proof is harder Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #109

Good points. And even if they weren't, I'd rather lose than throw women, LGBT, POC, Latinos or stevenleser Apr 2017 #210

Don't feed the troll. PDittie Apr 2017 #146

Who is the Troll? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #159

The only people who can do anything about it don't seem to care. n/t QC Apr 2017 #32

Excellent Thread Leith Apr 2017 #33

Thanks for this. zentrum Apr 2017 #34

I agree with the unreadable part frazzled Apr 2017 #35

I see your point, but... Barack_America Apr 2017 #44

Thank you. Very well said. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #62

Great post! This is it! Stop the post in which Sanders id made out to be some lunamagica Apr 2017 #75

Thats not "what started the whole thing" OnionPatch Apr 2017 #97

Bernie Ligyron Apr 2017 #144

This. Thank you, VERY well said. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #152

+1 KTM Apr 2017 #240

This mirrors to a T how I feel about it all. thanks. JHan Apr 2017 #77

This is kind of a perfect post regarding the subject. Control-Z Apr 2017 #98

Yes! Thank you. betsuni Apr 2017 #149

Consider how the Ukrainian Server Farm Trolls feel about your statement. byronius Apr 2017 #36

Heh. Barack_America Apr 2017 #176

Yep if the Democratic Party was working we would be in control askyagerz Apr 2017 #37

The ability to truly listen. That is a very, very valuable trait in a politiican. ehrnst Apr 2017 #58

I disagree DownriverDem Apr 2017 #65

And how is that going to work askyagerz Apr 2017 #81

Oh THAT was reason!! and not ehrnst Apr 2017 #157

Hear hear! Duppers Apr 2017 #89

He's stepped into the tent? Control-Z Apr 2017 #108

You worried about Bernie? askyagerz Apr 2017 #110

I guess I should have used Control-Z Apr 2017 #133

YES!!! (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #158

When did he make the switch? Control-Z Apr 2017 #162

What I wonder though if some of these people trying to stir shit up are really even Democrats? cstanleytech Apr 2017 #38

Bingo! They're out in full force. The evidence is in plain sight. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #104

Agree. JudyM Apr 2017 #39

A slight improvement will be to have to GD, one for general and one for politics question everything Apr 2017 #40

Good point tiredtoo Apr 2017 #41

Only seeing "purity demands" from one side. ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

Do you disapprove of all career politicians or just Bernie? SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #138

Just the ones who dismiss issues that don't directly affect ehrnst Apr 2017 #156

That's what I thought. SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #190

"one side"?? panader0 Apr 2017 #191

It is time mercuryblues Apr 2017 #45

Maybe more DownriverDem Apr 2017 #49

Okay, I'm missing something. What human right was omitted from the Dem platform... Barack_America Apr 2017 #54

Thank you! DownriverDem Apr 2017 #47

It's one thing to discuss various sometimes differing strategies, it another thing entirely Fla Dem Apr 2017 #55

purity tests lies Apr 2017 #57

Well said. Barack_America Apr 2017 #69

The "Toilets" you disparage allow people to go to work, school and out on public.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #78

sigh lies Apr 2017 #83

So you want to force dem candidates only to refuse funding while superpacs still do whatever the bettyellen Apr 2017 #96

This has to be said and repeated often, thank you. elmac Apr 2017 #59

Oh get a grip! vlyons Apr 2017 #60

"Show some respect" Barack_America Apr 2017 #72

Sure it is vlyons Apr 2017 #80

Because I have been a member for almost 13 years... Barack_America Apr 2017 #102

Some folks just seem to be baiters.. They are masters at it. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #120

I know it's hard, but PDittie Apr 2017 #147

Part of it is demoralization. randome Apr 2017 #61

I like what you posted. This thread's been making me sprinkleeninow Apr 2017 #209

There's basically the TWO parties Plucketeer Apr 2017 #64

Those two parties DownriverDem Apr 2017 #70

Morans didn't wonder Plucketeer Apr 2017 #79

In fairness, that's a conservative trait. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #121

I'm with you on the sports thing. Ligyron Apr 2017 #142

LOL! Plucketeer Apr 2017 #161

Absolutely true. Greybnk48 Apr 2017 #66

Thank You. Bettie Apr 2017 #67

Thank you for this! It indeed has been unreadable. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #68

Thank you! redwitch Apr 2017 #71

Healthcare is economics. Hope you are smart enough to get that. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #74

It was unreadable until I increased the font size. I agree with you 100% alfredo Apr 2017 #76

It was a divisive primary. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #82

Well put Lordquinton Apr 2017 #88

I understand you mvd Apr 2017 #91

Yeah, if he threw his hat in, in 2020, I'd look for an alternative. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #101

I don't think you can rightfully deny that Hillary bashing was a proximate cause Cary Apr 2017 #114

Hm, they eat their own a little bit too. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #117

He voted for Hillary Clinton Cary Apr 2017 #143

Fair enough. Yeah, I stuck to my guns and voted Hillary too but it's not meaningful. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #155

One can support their candidate and remain positive about Democrats Cary Apr 2017 #173

"which is going blue no matter what" quakerboy Apr 2017 #215

* this friend speaks my mind quakerboy Apr 2017 #214

Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #87

Another 100% agreement. Duppers Apr 2017 #90

thank you. barbtries Apr 2017 #92

As I recognize the guilty ones madokie Apr 2017 #99

+1 PDittie Apr 2017 #150

Thank you! We have got to learn to pull together, despite our differences Thekaspervote Apr 2017 #100

I wish there could be a single forum to hash this out. nolabear Apr 2017 #105

I think there's some effective trolling underway caraher Apr 2017 #107

You make great points that I have been trying to make for years Cary Apr 2017 #111

Worst shape since reconstruction zipplewrath Apr 2017 #115

Is that you Barack?! KPN Apr 2017 #118

I am fortunate to live in a purple district which was once red. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2017 #119

Awesome that you're doing that. Barack_America Apr 2017 #185

K & R n/t TubbersUK Apr 2017 #126

This is such a welcome op! karynnj Apr 2017 #127

I recently trashed General Discussion to avoid the nonstop barrage of foolishness klook Apr 2017 #135

I think that's the idea. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #140

Totally agree!! SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #141

GOP paid trolls. applegrove Apr 2017 #154

herding cats is a kpete Apr 2017 #165

From todays civic discussion. Tip from President Obama: "Listening to understand rather than Sunlei Apr 2017 #169

Completely agree. Very sad to see what is going on. Tatiana Apr 2017 #170

I agree 100%, but ... left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #174

Why are there two sides? liberal N proud Apr 2017 #178

What exactly is the definition of a "purity" vote? lexington filly Apr 2017 #179

What floors me, and I do mean floors me... Barack_America Apr 2017 #182

+ 1,000,000 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #187

+ another 1,000,000 million. It's selective outrage, divisive, and aimed at Bernie solely nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #194

Curious. None of them have answered... SMC22307 Apr 2017 #217

I can't speak for these "them" that you're talking about... Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #219

Very Correct Rilgin Apr 2017 #225

Well, to be fair... Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #235

A fair point Rilgin Apr 2017 #236

That's an excellent summation of how it went down. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #237

I would be happy to have my Blue Dog Democrat back in Congress mtngirl47 Apr 2017 #183

That's not a bug--that's a feature. n/t QC Apr 2017 #199

FINALLY!! Someone spoke for me. Thank you!! secondwind Apr 2017 #201

Echoing what you said. Enoki33 Apr 2017 #203

This board is clearly infected annabanana Apr 2017 #204

Dems have been their own worst enemies relayerbob Apr 2017 #207

The same shit has been going on in one form or another here, as long as I can remember. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #208

Big K and R. Beautifully put! nt Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #216

We should never compromise on rights where lives are at stake. Liberty Belle Apr 2017 #221

Jeebus to Betsy watoos Apr 2017 #222

your construct of "pro-life/pro abortion" is a tell. Demit Apr 2017 #227

This is why I stopped reading DU for the last month. Else You Are Mad Apr 2017 #226

"Humbly submitted" Roy Rolling Apr 2017 #228

Well Said! NobodyHere Apr 2017 #238

+1 KTM Apr 2017 #239