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bettyellen

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92. Gotcha - I appreciate your patience and interest in sorting this crap out....

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:28 PM

Apr 2017

To be honest a lot of people pretend to want to understand and they just eff with you.... I'm glad that i guessed that that wasn't the case here. My larger point was we should keep the results of such studies in mind while listeneing to the conversations peopelmhave about candidates. Despite being a life long feminist I admit I had some bias myself, and when needed to be confront d with it. And in this election I have to say it was hearing "I just can't listen to her" a few times that made me push back. I couldn't imagine people writing people off without ever listening to them. That shocked me. But people were willing to do it, and willing to repeat all sorts of crap they had no evidence for. The scuttlebutt killed her- and it hurt all of us in the end. We're ducked right now because it was 20% easier to NOT give HRC the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't really fond of her myself until I dissected what was happening and how crazy it got. A real hatchet job.

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Democratic Dream Team Needed [View all] fescuerescue Apr 2017 OP

I doubt there will be 2 SCOTUS seats to fill. secondwind Apr 2017 #1

Kennedy and RBG onecaliberal Apr 2017 #2

That's the variability part fescuerescue Apr 2017 #4

It's a nice idea, but I think we need new blood. We have a lot of upcoming stars! femmocrat Apr 2017 #3

exactly! renate Apr 2017 #71

Add ELIZABETH WARREN to the list. Tammy Duckworth and Al Frankin too. trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #5

I would be on board with any of those three! Still In Wisconsin Apr 2017 #8

No thanks. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2017 #6

Hillary again would be the biggest mistake possible. HopeAgain Apr 2017 #7

I guarantee you... LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #20

I didn't read past: demmiblue Apr 2017 #25

Lol... he would have wiped the floor with him. LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #32

I'm guessing someone is going to rise to the top by leading the charge against trump nini Apr 2017 #9

Hillary will be too old, Jack-o-Lantern Apr 2017 #10

Respectfully I believe that is a bit sexist fescuerescue Apr 2017 #39

They suggested Warren instead of Clinton and you called it sexist? hughee99 Apr 2017 #43

Well Clinton is being dissed for her age only because she is female fescuerescue Apr 2017 #46

Warren is less than two years younger than Clinton, and the poster has no problem with her age. hughee99 Apr 2017 #48

Well I don't think we should be discriminating because of age fescuerescue Apr 2017 #54

If you're using Trump as the standard of what's acceptable or a good idea, I question your judgement hughee99 Apr 2017 #63

There are tons of studies that show women lose a huge percentage of popular suppport the moment they bettyellen Apr 2017 #72

If the poster had suggested a man instead of Elizabeth Warren as an alternative to Clinton hughee99 Apr 2017 #73

A lot of people don't realize how much their opinions change about women- bettyellen Apr 2017 #75

Would you agree that if a person suggests one woman hughee99 Apr 2017 #76

No, I don't think most people are aware of their inherent bias if they have one.. bettyellen Apr 2017 #77

You seem to be talking to me like I've made some sort of argument that I don't believe I have. hughee99 Apr 2017 #78

It's not comparing women with men- it's comparing women not running for bettyellen Apr 2017 #79

So it sounds like you're suggesting that the negatives Clinton currently has would also affect hughee99 Apr 2017 #80

Historically women see a huge drop in likability/ trustworthiness once they declare they are bettyellen Apr 2017 #81

I agree with all of this, but I still don't have an answer to my question. hughee99 Apr 2017 #85

As much as people want to believe they would still feel the same about Warren when she's bettyellen Apr 2017 #86

The poster pointed out two issues they had with Clinton when expressing a preference for Warren. hughee99 Apr 2017 #87

My point still stands- the "she is toxic" narrative arose of the sexism ... bettyellen Apr 2017 #88

I agree with you. My concern was that we basically had one poster suggest another poster hughee99 Apr 2017 #89

Gotcha - I appreciate your patience and interest in sorting this crap out.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #92

What is the precise age that makes one "too old"? LanternWaste Apr 2017 #62

Warren is a year younger than Hillary Motley13 Apr 2017 #82

Franken, Schiff, Waters, Warren, Bharara, Yates Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #11

It's time for Gen-X to take the reins. EL34x4 Apr 2017 #12

No more also rans on the top of the ticket crazycatlady Apr 2017 #13

Good lawd... so much fail. demmiblue Apr 2017 #14

excuse me? fescuerescue Apr 2017 #19

An impressive amount of delusion packed into a single post. Nt hughee99 Apr 2017 #15

Glad somebody said it. n/t bathroommonkey76 Apr 2017 #24

We thought people were dilusionion in thinking Trump would be elected fescuerescue Apr 2017 #34

I supported and still support her jimlup Apr 2017 #16

3rd most successful campaign in world history. fescuerescue Apr 2017 #35

depends on how you define success jimlup Apr 2017 #42

??? opiate69 Apr 2017 #17

I don't think Hillary should or will run again. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #18

We really need to get some leadership from the West Coast, in my estimation. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #22

I'm pretty much open to that. I would just like to see something than the smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #27

I agree, I want vigorous debate and a big expansion of our leadership bench. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #33

I think she would if she had a wonder team behind her. fescuerescue Apr 2017 #36

Who's "Chelsey Clinton"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #21

Wasn't she dating Chareth Cutestory? opiate69 Apr 2017 #30

I had to look that up, you fiend! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #41

"You're...... a...... opiate69 Apr 2017 #68

Daughter of Bill and Hillary Clinton fescuerescue Apr 2017 #38

Oh. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #40

Ah yes. Thanks for locating the typo'ed character in my message fescuerescue Apr 2017 #47

Chelsea Clinton is not likely to be the speaker of the house any time soon. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #50

Well they are the same person fescuerescue Apr 2017 #52

Well, I doubt that either one could be elected MichMary Apr 2017 #56

YOU LEFT OUT WALTER MONDALE Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #23

MONDALE/DUKAKIS 2020!!!!! opiate69 Apr 2017 #26

Hey, Jimmy Carter never got his second term, he's eligible!!! LeftInTX Apr 2017 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #29

You forgot George Soros as Fed Chairman. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #31

IT doesn't work that way fescuerescue Apr 2017 #37

My post was a joke. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #61

Not a whole lot of recs on this thread. Vinca Apr 2017 #44

Chelsey? cwydro Apr 2017 #45

Is that the new purity test? fescuerescue Apr 2017 #51

no purity test. cwydro Apr 2017 #58

it's a typo. fescuerescue Apr 2017 #64

The y is nowhere near the a on the keyboard. cwydro Apr 2017 #67

still a typo. Not unheard of when it comes to synonyms. fescuerescue Apr 2017 #69

Good to hear. cwydro Apr 2017 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Apr 2017 #49

Shake the Clinton addiction get the red out Apr 2017 #53

Sounds like a winning team... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #55

Promising to make PBO a SC Justice MichMary Apr 2017 #57

I don't believe in totally political SCOTUS appointments. SomethingNew Apr 2017 #59

The new Fossil Party? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #60

The Clinton's have had a nice run over the decades. Time for someone new. jalan48 Apr 2017 #65

2020? try 2018 0rganism Apr 2017 #66

Oh god no. We can't have anyone tied to past administrations in 2020. Initech Apr 2017 #70

A presidential ticket isn't a rock and roll Supergroup or nostalgia act Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #83

Chelsea Clinton vs Ivanka Trump Motley13 Apr 2017 #84

I'm going to assume your motives for putting this post up are not all that pure. Stinky The Clown Apr 2017 #90

I fully understand that this is a paranoid place fescuerescue Apr 2017 #91