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Vesper

(229 posts)
67. The social issues are not separable from the economic issues.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 03:04 AM
Apr 2017

That's what people keep missing, and they're not about "smaller groups of people". Not having healthcare because Republicans blocked your access to a necessary abortion can indeed kill you. Not getting equal pay because you're female (a "small group of people" who make up the majority of the population) can also kill you, especially if your lower paycheck is why you had to wait so long to afford the out of pocket costs for an abortion and all the other hoops that the GOP makes you jump through if you're poor, in a rural area etc.

Yeah, it's the economy stupid, and that involves things like gender, race etc. which is part of that stupid economy for "small groups of people" that together make up the majority of the population. Dismissing us insignificant and stupid really is a bad look for those pretending to be populists and seeking economic equality or progressive/liberal credentials.

I don't need you to "give my words back to me" they were true before they were condescendingly deprived of truth and facts before they were handed back to me.

As I stated, Social security and medicare are based on payroll taxes, so women and minorities are at a greater disadvantage when our issues are silenced by condescending people who don't seem to understand truth when it's handed to them in the first place.

Democrats can indeed walk and chew gum at the same time and we don't need de-truthed words handed down to us from those who aren't so much doing what Democrats have always done, fight for basic human rights, understanding that economic issues cannot be separated from gender and race issues.

I have given you back my own words putting the truth back in them, I'd suggest another attempt at understanding that truth.

I'm not sure why you think low income people, single parents, married parents or anyone else is dumb enough to think that reproductive freedom, which they have to deal with on an everyday basis is not about them, but only about "sally down the street and her abortions". Honestly, the tone deaf ridiculousness of silencing people and the sheer ignorant condescension is appalling. Do you not understand that low income people are planning their families, worried about their pregnancies, wanted and otherwise, and concerned that "Sally down the street" is their friend, daughter, sister or cousin?

They know that "Sally down the street" is in the same predicament that they are where their employers won't pay for birth control, will fire them if pregnant and that they can lose their health insurance with pregnancy as a pre-existing condition, so how do you think she's going to take a sick day, or a day off work without pay, when she's pregnant against her will and still has kids to feed and parents to take care off and can't afford daycare?

I don't even know what to say about that attack on poor people and the condescending thing you said about how they're selfish and don't care about transgender people literally being beaten to death and raped in bathrooms. It's almost like it's a foreign concept that these are our friends, family members, co workers and neighbors and that we don't think dismissing their basic human rights is something that poor people are wont to do.

it would appear to some that all issues do not matter, and that they project their own carelessness about the realities that many are facing, where their literal lives and health are in danger on a daily basis don't signify to some, who are only concerned about their own social security and medicare, not about how that's going to affect anyone else at all. I guess if one doesn't care if those poor people with unequal pay and who will be killed for going to the bathroom or unplanned pregnancies that kill them at higher rates than their wealthier white neighbors, or whose planned pregnancies go horribly wrong, won't live to be 65 when apparently they will matter, sorta.

It's time to figure out that economics includes parts that are uncomfortable for some older people to think about.

We do actually want to make the country better for its citizens, that's why we can't use those right wing talking points about "sally down the street" to dismiss the concerns of actual citizens of this country and not just a small group of people we think matter while dismissing all those groups that we condescend to.

Obama didn't ditch the social issues, he knew they were part and parcel of the economy, it's why he won "bigly". The economy is more than just social security and medicare and old people, stupid, as they should say if they want to give words back to people, in a way that's ACTUALLY true, and is being dismissed through a filter of Republican talking points. "Sally down the street" is a huge part of how we deal with the economy, Obama understood that bigly, it's why he wasn't stupid enough ignore the aspects that make up the economy.

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Sorry, human rights are non-negotiable shenmue Apr 2017 #1
the pyramid of needs. kentuck Apr 2017 #2
where is mercuryblues Apr 2017 #4
Physiological needs. Kber Apr 2017 #11
Bingo Hekate Apr 2017 #33
Women, LGBTQs and people of color ehrnst Apr 2017 #17
He didn't say "white" working class. He's talking about working and middle class. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #31
I disagree. Caliman73 Apr 2017 #39
I disagree. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #52
So let's push those women and minorities who happen to be at the top of the pyramid athena Apr 2017 #24
We're actually the ones whose base of the pyramid needs are being sacrificed so that Vesper Apr 2017 #26
Bodily integrity falls within physiological and safety needs, Mello attacks those. Vesper Apr 2017 #25
Excellent point. athena Apr 2017 #27
Even worse, what this right winger has proposed is a 20 week abortion ban. Vesper Apr 2017 #32
Hahahahahaha! kcr Apr 2017 #69
He summed up... NCTraveler Apr 2017 #3
In other words ehrnst Apr 2017 #10
I think one of the things I'm trying to say... NCTraveler Apr 2017 #14
Refusing to join the party, but wanting to run its platform is BS. ehrnst Apr 2017 #18
Very well said. Your last paragraph is spot on. Hekate Apr 2017 #41
BS is now BS to me. 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #64
LOL Skittles Apr 2017 #5
+1 n/t jaysunb Apr 2017 #6
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Apr 2017 #7
Nicely put! Orrex Apr 2017 #80
Why anyone thinks this clumsy, outdated message -- touted by someone who isn't even a Democrat -- RedWedge Apr 2017 #8
It's going to BackFire Cha Apr 2017 #56
I hope that will happen soon kcr Apr 2017 #66
Because the M$M is invested in the Controversary.. Cha Apr 2017 #73
OK, here's what I think he's getting at. ananda Apr 2017 #9
you cannot avoid it, prejudice shapes how resources are shared. JHan Apr 2017 #12
Hear, hear ehrnst Apr 2017 #16
Except my African American step dad still gets stopped in my mostly white town Kber Apr 2017 #13
Yah, you'd think that when people have money, the social issues would have fallen into place.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #19
That's the central flaw in classic Marxist philosophy. "Identity" doesn't disappear... Hekate Apr 2017 #44
Right? And no matter how affluent you are as a PoC, you get "the conversation" as a kid. JHan Apr 2017 #37
"... then the social issues also fall into place." ehrnst Apr 2017 #15
"Trickle down social justice" is a wonderfully accurate phrase. Hekate Apr 2017 #45
+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #54
It's "trickle-down economics", too. athena Apr 2017 #55
Like wealthy republicans who have gay hate? Think all women belong at home lunasun Apr 2017 #34
That's a great utopia, but these hates have always been there Vesper Apr 2017 #43
How do economic stresses cause homophobia? yardwork Apr 2017 #46
He has made that claim before, only more elegantly. kcr Apr 2017 #51
If you have to read between the lines then what good is his word? Making assumptions 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #63
He has been saying this same exact thing since 1968. boston bean Apr 2017 #20
Maybe it will Cha Apr 2017 #57
I'd say this was unbelievable NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #21
Interesting fact--Northern Ireland is covered by the NHS Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #22
excellent point ++++++++ JHan Apr 2017 #38
This is incredibly offensive. athena Apr 2017 #23
He's not saying give up those issues. He's talking about focus. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #28
So we need to focus on medicare and social security and basic economics Vesper Apr 2017 #40
So we need to focus on medicare and social security and basic economics Vesper Apr 2017 #42
Focusing on economic issues is not any more narrow than focusing on social issues. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #50
Prejudice shapes how resources are distributed JHan Apr 2017 #53
You can't legislate against prejudice. Laws address discrimination already. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #61
Yeah everything is "done" JHan Apr 2017 #65
We'll have to agree to disagree. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #76
The social issues are not separable from the economic issues. Vesper Apr 2017 #67
We WERE focused on economic issues, along with equity issues. That's why 75% of blue collar workers pnwmom Apr 2017 #68
The daily two minutes hate. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #29
Talk to BS.. it's his quote. Cha Apr 2017 #36
I'm glad context isn't a thing anymore. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #72
Ridiculous. Go back and read Bernie's very own words. Forget the campaign: the man has been... Hekate Apr 2017 #48
15 minimum wage laws only target white men who lost manufacturing jobs? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #70
Then you should be pleased to know that 75% of blue collar workers supported Hillary and the Dems. pnwmom Apr 2017 #71
If only anybody knew the electoral college existed. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #75
The electoral college didn't overturn the popular vote a SINGLE time in the entire 20th century. pnwmom Apr 2017 #77
The man has lived in Vermont for the past 50 years and has been in office for 35 years... GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #30
Pesky Human Rights.. FTS! Cha Apr 2017 #35
After reading the posts, it is very clear that many people have no idea what cost HRC the election. tonyt53 Apr 2017 #47
In nearly every swing state, voters preferred Hillary Clinton on the economy. betsuni Apr 2017 #49
" most are new to the Democratic Party and do not understand that the Party will always protect 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #59
The majority of people whose biggest concern was the economy voted for HRC. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #62
Well, you're one of those who doesn't understand. pnwmom Apr 2017 #74
Yeah, when you can't get a job because you are black, can't work outside the home because nikibatts Apr 2017 #78
Why should BS "captain the Democratic Ship"..anyway? Cha Apr 2017 #58
Jesus. LexVegas Apr 2017 #60
Those issues are REPUBLICAN issues JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #79
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