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H2O Man

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Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:35 AM Apr 2017

Kaine [View all]

Yesterday, I read some OP/threads on DU:GD regarding Tim Kaine, and his position on abortion. Not all of the information on the thread was accurate, and so I thought it would be worthwhile to look into what his position actually is. It is an important issue, and it is essential that we have accurate information in order to be able to have meaningful discussions on how to protect people's rights, in the face of a republican White House, Senate, and House of Representatives,

Indeed, there is a possibility – even a likelihood – that the republicans will attempt to restrict reproductive rights, both at the state level, and with an eye on the US Supreme Court. For that reason, I believe that it is important that members of the Democratic Party have open and honest conversations about what actions people at the grass roots level can take to protect what should be recognized as established law.

In doing so, we must keep in mind that reproductive rights are closely associated with other rights in our society. I remember back in the 1980s, when a spokesperson for the “moral majority” (it was neither) said that pregnancy was God's punishment for women enjoying sex. Seriously. And there are a lot of unhappy people who want to control other people's lives in areas that are absolutely none of their business.

Here is a link with detailed information on Kaine's views on abortion:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm

His positions are clear: while he personally does not approve of abortion, he respects the fact that Roe v Wade is established law, and is opposed to efforts to change that. He does support three restrictions; these involve parental consent, informed consent, and restrictions on partial birth abortions.

I think that the Democratic Party needs to harness the strength of everyone who recognizes and respects Roe v Wade as established law. I do have serious concerns about “restrictions.” I view efforts to enact such restrictions on the state level for what they are: attempts to eliminate women's options.

I also disagree with Kaine's focus on “abstinence” education as a means of reducing unwanted/ unplanned pregnancies. While it could be included as a part of sex education in public schools, it is unrealistic to assume it is meaningful to most teenagers. More, education about birth control and access to contraceptives is essential.

That, of course, brings us to Planned Parenthood. There is an on-going effort to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood that is exclusive to the republican agenda. That is unacceptable.

I believe that our party's potential candidates can hold a range of personal beliefs about abortion, so long as they recognize that Roe v Wade is established law; that individual states do not have the “right” to restrict it; that they understand that access to birth control is essential; and that they support Planned Parenthood.

I understand that other people may have different beliefs, that influence what candidates they will support or not support. This is an issue that, like several others, many people place at the top of their list of priorities. Building the coalition that can win elections at all levels has to be the Democratic Party's goal, and that obviously involves addressing those essential issues.

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Kaine [View all] H2O Man Apr 2017 OP
One of the restrictions (partial-birth abortions) came about in Virginia at a time when the GOP FSogol Apr 2017 #1
Right. H2O Man Apr 2017 #2
They just made it up. There is no such procedure by that name at all. Vesper Apr 2017 #37
he DOES NOT support restrictions on partial birth abortions and can we please leave the RW framing boston bean Apr 2017 #3
+1000! mcar Apr 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #13
Great post-you are correct as to the facts Gothmog Apr 2017 #22
Under Roe, certain restrictions on third trimester abortions are legitimate. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #26
They made up the term to be as offensive as possible, there is literally no such Vesper Apr 2017 #38
Sorry, have to disagree at least with some of this. moriah Apr 2017 #27
RW framing is when it's called mcar Apr 2017 #29
Hence why I used the correct term D&X. moriah Apr 2017 #30
I'm for letting Women make that choice madokie Apr 2017 #6
You made perfect sense. demmiblue Apr 2017 #7
Very well said! H2O Man Apr 2017 #14
"Yesterday, I read some OP/threads on DU:GD regarding Tim Kaine, and his position on abortion" George II Apr 2017 #8
no H2O Man Apr 2017 #15
I can only assume then that there were/are none. George II Apr 2017 #17
oh H2O Man Apr 2017 #21
What does this post mean in context of the facts presented above? Gothmog Apr 2017 #23
It means no. H2O Man Apr 2017 #24
So basically same as Mello if you actually believed facts Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #9
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #16
No. I get why the sole focus here is on that one ultra sound bill whose language Vesper Apr 2017 #39
I support a womans right to choose 100%. democrank Apr 2017 #10
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #18
I don't understand why anyone thinks anyone is cheering on abortions. Vesper Apr 2017 #40
The new phrase which I find more appropriate is "trust women" lostnfound Apr 2017 #50
He changed on abstinence-only education in 2007. brer cat Apr 2017 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #19
You should edit your OP to correct wrong statement about abstinence. Justice Apr 2017 #43
The OP is correct. H2O Man Apr 2017 #49
Was he pro abstinence only before then? Vesper Apr 2017 #41
Yes. brer cat Apr 2017 #42
I thought I read earlier in the thread that he was pro access to contraception though. Vesper Apr 2017 #44
He did later. brer cat Apr 2017 #45
Since he took office in 2006 (per wiki), that's not too bad. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
VA was the 14th state to banish abstinence-only sex ed. brer cat Apr 2017 #47
Gotcha. Thank you for the info! Vesper Apr 2017 #48
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2017 #12
Thanks. H2O Man Apr 2017 #20
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #33
K&R. n/t ms liberty Apr 2017 #28
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #34
Thank you for remaining: PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #31
Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2017 #35
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #32
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #36
KR Me. Apr 2017 #51
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