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79. Not only does it increase the cost to make it available to everyone

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:46 AM

Apr 2017

even if they don't request it, it flies in the face of medical consensus. If a physician is giving a patient a medical (pill), rather than a surgical abortion in their office, they would not be able to do so unless they had an ultrasound in their office.

OB offices generally don't even have ultrasounds in their office, they refer patients to a facility dedicated to it. Is that clearer?

Again:

That is a direct contradition to what the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has stated:

According to the ACOG, ultrasonography in pregnancy should be performed only when there is a valid medical indication. In 2009, the organization specifically stated, The use of either two-dimensional or three-dimensional ultrasonography only to view the fetus, obtain a picture of the fetus, or determine the fetal sex without a medical indication is inappropriate and contrary to responsible medical practice.

http://www.acog.org/~/media/Departments/LARC/TalkingPointsonUltrasoundMandates.p

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Will We Abandon Womens Rights in the Name of Progressive Politics? [View all] ehrnst Apr 2017 OP

No compromise on women's rights shenmue Apr 2017 #1

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Raster Apr 2017 #28

No compromise BadgerMom Apr 2017 #51

+1000!!!!!! hamsterjill Apr 2017 #33

Were the first 3 threads you posted about this in the last 24 hours not adequate? Kentonio Apr 2017 #2

No. fun n serious Apr 2017 #4

I was unaware there was a limit. At least on posts concerning women's reproductive health care. ehrnst Apr 2017 #5

Not in the slightest. Kentonio Apr 2017 #7

I suppose that basic healthcare access for women isn't very pressing for some. ehrnst Apr 2017 #9

It's pressing to basically everyone in this party. Kentonio Apr 2017 #12

I never talked about "half the party." Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else? ehrnst Apr 2017 #13

It's telling mercuryblues Apr 2017 #34

I've noticed that. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #43

Twisting themselves into pretzles in a misguided attempt to "protect" Bernie emulatorloo Apr 2017 #64

I understand tribal thinking, and the urge to protect ehrnst Apr 2017 #120

What is with the almost religious devotion to a politician? Vesper Apr 2017 #142

Sometimes there is a tribal element to loyalty ehrnst Apr 2017 #146

Tribal I get. It's the religiosity that's mystifying. Vesper Apr 2017 #147

very telling indeed. niyad Apr 2017 #139

If you want to whinge about anti-Bernie threads... moriah Apr 2017 #24

How is talking about what Bernie said last week brer cat Apr 2017 #37

Which he didn't do. Kentonio Apr 2017 #39

Actually it is outrage at current events. ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

You are entitled to your own denial. brer cat Apr 2017 #59

Stop treating it like an f'ing game then. Kentonio Apr 2017 #66

I take it you have issues with the article? ehrnst Apr 2017 #71

Why? Kentonio Apr 2017 #78

You sound mad bro. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #89

maybe he ain't even mad though...hehehhe Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #111

Where have I heard that? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #103

But we're not the ones doing that. Vesper Apr 2017 #148

This is happening RIGHT FUCKING NOW. JTFrog Apr 2017 #67

Ah yes Kentonio Apr 2017 #73

Yet here you are as a shining example. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #76

Let me ask you a question Kentonio Apr 2017 #82

You don't have to click these threads. JTFrog Apr 2017 #84

We? You speak for the forum now do you? Kentonio Apr 2017 #86

You're gonna need a bigger boat. JTFrog Apr 2017 #87

Right over the head.... ehrnst Apr 2017 #99

He speaks for me. That makes two. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #100

You might well answer that yourself... (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #97

Do you think that anyone who points out issues with Bernie's stance on ehrnst Apr 2017 #121

Don't expect any self awareness on this. ehrnst Apr 2017 #101

Sort of like, "could you stop posting about this topic?" ehrnst Apr 2017 #96

these posts are in reference to something he said in the last week. this is NOT "refighting niyad Apr 2017 #138

Have you considered writing directly to the authors of these articles ehrnst Apr 2017 #29

They're not all writing stories for the same publication Kentonio Apr 2017 #36

Because they are being shared in one place, that makes them "different versions of the same story" ehrnst Apr 2017 #41

You've literally started 4 different threads in 24 hours that are all the same thing! Kentonio Apr 2017 #55

Duplicate threads? ehrnst Apr 2017 #58

Sorry, Democrats don't do the lockstep thing. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #75

I'm not defending him on this. I hate the party's willingness to sell out our principles. Kentonio Apr 2017 #80

yeah. I don't like the threads that dismiss the concerns of women fighting for choice either emulatorloo Apr 2017 #92

I need to do that too. Kentonio Apr 2017 #95

... emulatorloo Apr 2017 #98

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #104

Sort of like the principles that we don't contradict science or medical consensus on an issue? ehrnst Apr 2017 #102

Tough. You have tools available to you to customize your experience here. Use them. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #70

goddess forfend that something as basic, as serious, as women's rights, should get attention niyad Apr 2017 #137

How many posts did we get during the Primary telling us what YUGE feminist Bernie is? Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #150

I'm not posting any more in these threads Kentonio Apr 2017 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #159

Thanks thread police. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #161

I think we need to have this discussion on a national stage. fun n serious Apr 2017 #3

Absolutely. And what it's like in states that have placed obstructions in the way of ehrnst Apr 2017 #6

Stories like this one you posted were common fun n serious Apr 2017 #11

Even after Roe - obstacles like "parental notification/consent" destroyed lives ehrnst Apr 2017 #14

Also, fun n serious Apr 2017 #15

Kate Michelman, former president of NARAL, had to convince a board of male doctors ehrnst Apr 2017 #32

Women can have their own credit cards--isn't that enough? Orrex Apr 2017 #8

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #10

lol Cha Apr 2017 #17

yup mercuryblues Apr 2017 #40

Right... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #154

NO WAY. NO HOW. Cha Apr 2017 #16

Women's rights are progressive mcar Apr 2017 #18

Women rights are a central and key element in the Democratic Platform Gothmog Apr 2017 #19

Absolutely not! Kaye_NY Apr 2017 #20

K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #21

No ananda Apr 2017 #22

I don't believe this is true: Ligyron Apr 2017 #23

It's not accurate: TCJ70 Apr 2017 #45

That is correct, however simply requiring physicians to offer it is also medically inappropriate ehrnst Apr 2017 #57

Just say "No, thank you" and move on. TCJ70 Apr 2017 #74

Not only does it increase the cost to make it available to everyone ehrnst Apr 2017 #79

We were offered several ultrasounds when my wife was pregnant despite there being no... TCJ70 Apr 2017 #83

Were those ultrasounds to be performed in the OB's office? Or were you referred to a specialist? ehrnst Apr 2017 #91

An OB is a specialist. TCJ70 Apr 2017 #93

An OB is not a fetal ultrasound specialist ehrnst Apr 2017 #112

That would require the doctor to provide an ultrasound to all patients, which would raise the cost ehrnst Apr 2017 #46

Well it is true...and easy to look up. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #157

No, we'll do it in the name of party unity, I'm afraid. Orsino Apr 2017 #25

Apparently there aren't enough registered democrats leading that tour, or enough women included. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #26

Yep, sausage fest. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #119

i want ALLL MEN to stay OUT of my reproductive rights!!! R AND D!!! samnsara Apr 2017 #27

Tough shit. Iggo Apr 2017 #53

K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #30

Reproductive rights are non-negotiable. I don't care whether it is politically expedient in NE RelativelyJones Apr 2017 #31

Chew on this Roy Rolling Apr 2017 #35

chew on this mercuryblues Apr 2017 #44

You were nicer about it than I was going to be. Iggo Apr 2017 #49

I wonder what mercuryblues Apr 2017 #85

How easy it is to dismiss those as "social issues." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #124

No, seriously. Will you do an OP with this answer? Everyone needs to read it. Squinch Apr 2017 #151

Abortions save lives. athena Apr 2017 #72

Including the lives of tween and teen girls ehrnst Apr 2017 #122

Contraception and abortion are different things ehrnst Apr 2017 #94

Everyone has lost their fucking minds. retrowire Apr 2017 #38

I haven't "lost my fucking mind" ... I'm very clear-headed and rational and sane. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #48

OK Bernie or Busters. retrowire Apr 2017 #50

Oh my god! Oh ... my ... fucking ... god! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #63

So the entire party's platform is still fine? retrowire Apr 2017 #65

What does that even mean? Can you elaborate? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #77

The Democratic Party retrowire Apr 2017 #88

So which rights of mine are you willing to negotiate on? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #105

God damn. retrowire Apr 2017 #107

Okay, Goodbye. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #117

LOL! ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #61

What's so funny? George II Apr 2017 #114

It's odd. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #152

They are blowing things waaaay out of proportion so they can go after Bernie. nt m-lekktor Apr 2017 #60

If Bernie would simply call abortion a health care issue instead of a "social issue" ehrnst Apr 2017 #123

Is he calling it that? retrowire Apr 2017 #125

Yes, for years ehrnst Apr 2017 #131

Thank you for this information. retrowire Apr 2017 #134

No. But he just REALLY doesn't want to be inconvenienced by them. Squinch Apr 2017 #153

You got a mouse in your pocket? Iggo Apr 2017 #47

I'll vote for a Democrat who doesn't 100% share my opinion on abortion cheapdate Apr 2017 #52

Interesting article with Facts about Mello's stand Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #54

thank you ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #62

Hey there!! ehrnst Apr 2017 #69

I have replied to this same article above. ehrnst Apr 2017 #68

And if this discussion were about medical advocacy that would be great. Unfortunately the Mello Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #90

I beg to differ...are you aware that Mello voted and sponsored anti-choice legislation... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #106

Got it. Evolving on issues is only allowed Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #126

If only those who hated Hillary applied that same "hey, people evolve" standard... (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #127

Well you would have to speak to those Hillary hating people. Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #129

And you'd have to speak to those Democrats that you spoke of. ehrnst Apr 2017 #133

Tell that to those who dare vote against a single symbolic amendment that ehrnst Apr 2017 #128

I don't know those people you are referring to. Are they on twitter? Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #130

Oh, they were right on DU ehrnst Apr 2017 #132

lots of people right here on DU I disagree. Particularly lately. We just disagree with Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #143

You asked where they were. I answered. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #162

Actually it's ACOG, not the AMA, and since 2012, they have stated that ehrnst Apr 2017 #118

Abandoning women's rights? get the red out Apr 2017 #56

Women's rights ARE progressive rights Volstagg Apr 2017 #81

Simple, stay out of it all together. His litmus test is economic issues KittyWampus Apr 2017 #108

agreed lovemydogs Apr 2017 #115

Feminists have the uncomfortable position ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #109

would you post this as its own OP for visibility, and so we can rec it? niyad Apr 2017 #140

Sure ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #141

Men. Perhaps not the best judge or jury on this issue. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #110

Progressives are not anti woman lovemydogs Apr 2017 #113

What is "Clintonism"?--edit, never mind. I looked it up. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #116

I don't know how anyone could think that calling abortion a "social issue" is Progressive. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #135

WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE. PERIOD. and *** anybody who tries niyad Apr 2017 #136

as long as women let it happen, yes. nt TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #144

Women generally are not the ones "giving" their rights away ehrnst Apr 2017 #145

BTW, we never did ever see any taxes did we. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #149

how is a return to the 1940s a progressive vision? Fresh_Start Apr 2017 #155

+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #160

I think we are seeing a left wing version of MAGA now. ehrnst Apr 2017 #163

Keep voting for neoliberal centrists and we will lose more of our civil rights pecosbob Apr 2017 #156

Looks like our rights are "flexible" issues in the hands of some ehrnst Apr 2017 #164

I don't think so. kentuck Apr 2017 #165