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Vesper

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39. No. I get why the sole focus here is on that one ultra sound bill whose language
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:21 PM
Apr 2017

ALSO includes right wing framing and fictional procedures, but Kaine never introduced a 20 week abortion ban, Mello did. So trying to say they're basically the same is dishonest, counterfactual and 100% wrong.

Mello also sponsored bills to require a physician to be present, which is problematic for telemedicine abortion which is necessary for those in rural, under served areas.

So the truth about Mello's record is that he's right wing extremist level of anti-choice, Trent Franks level, Ted Cruz level anti-choice.

So the facts show that Kaine is NOTHING like Mello, and the false equivalence fails once one looks at that Ultrasound bill that's being spun like crazy and one takes into account his OTHER bills, that he sponsored himself, which speak to what this man is and what he stands for.

Here is the American College of Ob/Gyns on these right wing attacks that make up Mello's record.

http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Increasing-Access-to-Abortion

Ignoring the totality of his record while dishonestly praising him falsely doesn't work, attacking other Senators who might have personal or religious views, but have never tried to force those onto women with abortion ban legislation, attacking telemedicine is simply not going to work.

So when Mello says he won't restrict women's reproductive care, he's lying because he's already tried rather hard to do just that and there is no reason to think he's changed at all.

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Kaine [View all] H2O Man Apr 2017 OP
One of the restrictions (partial-birth abortions) came about in Virginia at a time when the GOP FSogol Apr 2017 #1
Right. H2O Man Apr 2017 #2
They just made it up. There is no such procedure by that name at all. Vesper Apr 2017 #37
he DOES NOT support restrictions on partial birth abortions and can we please leave the RW framing boston bean Apr 2017 #3
+1000! mcar Apr 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #13
Great post-you are correct as to the facts Gothmog Apr 2017 #22
Under Roe, certain restrictions on third trimester abortions are legitimate. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #26
They made up the term to be as offensive as possible, there is literally no such Vesper Apr 2017 #38
Sorry, have to disagree at least with some of this. moriah Apr 2017 #27
RW framing is when it's called mcar Apr 2017 #29
Hence why I used the correct term D&X. moriah Apr 2017 #30
I'm for letting Women make that choice madokie Apr 2017 #6
You made perfect sense. demmiblue Apr 2017 #7
Very well said! H2O Man Apr 2017 #14
"Yesterday, I read some OP/threads on DU:GD regarding Tim Kaine, and his position on abortion" George II Apr 2017 #8
no H2O Man Apr 2017 #15
I can only assume then that there were/are none. George II Apr 2017 #17
oh H2O Man Apr 2017 #21
What does this post mean in context of the facts presented above? Gothmog Apr 2017 #23
It means no. H2O Man Apr 2017 #24
So basically same as Mello if you actually believed facts Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #9
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #16
No. I get why the sole focus here is on that one ultra sound bill whose language Vesper Apr 2017 #39
I support a womans right to choose 100%. democrank Apr 2017 #10
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #18
I don't understand why anyone thinks anyone is cheering on abortions. Vesper Apr 2017 #40
The new phrase which I find more appropriate is "trust women" lostnfound Apr 2017 #50
He changed on abstinence-only education in 2007. brer cat Apr 2017 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #19
You should edit your OP to correct wrong statement about abstinence. Justice Apr 2017 #43
The OP is correct. H2O Man Apr 2017 #49
Was he pro abstinence only before then? Vesper Apr 2017 #41
Yes. brer cat Apr 2017 #42
I thought I read earlier in the thread that he was pro access to contraception though. Vesper Apr 2017 #44
He did later. brer cat Apr 2017 #45
Since he took office in 2006 (per wiki), that's not too bad. Vesper Apr 2017 #46
VA was the 14th state to banish abstinence-only sex ed. brer cat Apr 2017 #47
Gotcha. Thank you for the info! Vesper Apr 2017 #48
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2017 #12
Thanks. H2O Man Apr 2017 #20
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2017 #33
K&R. n/t ms liberty Apr 2017 #28
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #34
Thank you for remaining: PufPuf23 Apr 2017 #31
Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2017 #35
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #32
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2017 #36
KR Me. Apr 2017 #51
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