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ismnotwasm

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9. I've been thinking of Andrea Dworkin
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 03:36 PM
Apr 2017

Who suffered so much in her life, and more lately has been dismissed as "anti-male". Particularly her speech about rape. She sounds so exhausted here--she had been fighting for so long. I think I finally have a glimpse of how exhausted she actually was. My rights are not for sale. Reframing them is not acceptable.

I Want a Twenty-Four-Hour Truce
During Which There Is No Rape
1983

I have thought a great deal about how a feminist, like myself, addresses an audience primarily of political men who say that they are antisexist. And I thought a lot about whether there should be a qualitative difference in the kind of speech I address to you. And then I found myself incapable of pretending that I really believe that that qualitative difference exists. I have watched the men's movement for many years. I am close with some of the people who participate in it. I can't come here as a friend even though I might very much want to. What I would like to do is to scream: and in that scream I would have the screams of the raped, and the sobs of the battered; and even worse, in the center of that scream I would have the deafening sound of women's silence, that silence into which we are born because we are women and in which most of us die.

And if there would be a plea or a question or a human address in that scream, it would be this: why are you so slow? Why are you so slow to understand the simplest things; not the complicated ideological things. You understand those. The simple things. The cliches. Simply that women are human to precisely the degree and quality that you are.

And also: that we do not have time. We women. We don't have forever. Some of us don't have another week or another day to take time for you to discuss whatever it is that will enable you to go out into those streets and do something. We are very close to death. All women are. And we are very close to rape and we are very close to beating. And we are inside a system of humiliation from which there is no escape for us. We use statistics not to try to quantify the injuries, but to convince the world that those injuries even exist. Those statistics are not abstractions. It is easy to say, "Ah, the statistics, somebody writes them up one way and somebody writes them up another way." That's true. But I hear about the rapes one by one by one by one by one, which is also how they happen. Those statistics are not abstract to me. Every three minutes a woman is being raped. Every eighteen seconds a woman is being beaten. There is nothing abstract about it. It is happening right now as I am speaking.


http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/WarZoneChaptIIIE.html

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Thank you! I honored to be the first to "DU-Rec" this wonderful post. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #1
thank you!! heartfelt k and r niyad Apr 2017 #2
Very true. herding cats Apr 2017 #3
So true and the impacts are ever evolving... when I read that AI has been found to have racist bettyellen Apr 2017 #4
Usually AI is based on statistical algorithms. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #48
If the algorithms are based on outcomes influenced by racism bettyellen Apr 2017 #53
AI is still in its infancy. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #59
Well it's off to a scary start- much more diversity is needed and these companies bettyellen Apr 2017 #63
The programming is less likely to be the problem. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #66
If programmers didn't realize their inputs reflect bigoted ideas then programmers lack of awareness bettyellen Apr 2017 #67
The programmers don't make the inputs. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #70
Okay, someone is choosing what the AI works with- who would that be? bettyellen Apr 2017 #72
Bingo. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #73
Well they wouldn't be making these mistakes if they had a diverse crew in the first place- bettyellen Apr 2017 #74
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #5
Dude IronLionZion Apr 2017 #7
Got a live one here! BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #8
Oh my! sheshe2 Apr 2017 #10
MiRT is running slow today apparently. BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #12
Or the jury. I'm assuming someone flagged this guy. n/t Decoy of Fenris Apr 2017 #13
I alerted. BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #18
Gotcha. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2017 #23
So did I TeapotInATempest Apr 2017 #25
Alerted IronLionZion Apr 2017 #28
The larger question is why it took that long, I think. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2017 #33
Fewer people online this time of day IronLionZion Apr 2017 #40
Fair enough. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2017 #43
They'll get em. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #20
The delay speaks volumes unfortunately. BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #30
Loser, all the way BainsBane Apr 2017 #32
I alerted. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #21
oh dear, it looks like I missed all the fun!! niyad Apr 2017 #79
Yeah.... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #81
and I bet we can guess a couple that it might have been. they are like fungus, they niyad Apr 2017 #83
Mirt seems to know them well. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #84
I always miss the cray cray JHan Apr 2017 #39
I always keep it around for those curious BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #42
Thank you for preserving this as evidence of what we too often deal with here towards women (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #54
A little SHART for our afternoon viewing mcar Apr 2017 #56
He made his last stand. He tried to insult a woman online. JHan Apr 2017 #58
Omfg! Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #76
I saved it as well! sheshe2 Apr 2017 #82
hmmmm, that sounds so damned familiar. obviously one of our socks. niyad Apr 2017 #85
Oh my. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #11
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Poor baby. ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #22
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Pleas get the help you need. johnp3907 Apr 2017 #31
You sound so scared. johnp3907 Apr 2017 #24
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Bye. johnp3907 Apr 2017 #15
Nice. You signed up today TeapotInATempest Apr 2017 #16
Look at this whiney guy! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #29
K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #6
I've been thinking of Andrea Dworkin ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #9
thank you for posting this. again, this one needs to be its own OP niyad Apr 2017 #80
4chan means women have it worse now than 20, 30, 40 years ago? snooper2 Apr 2017 #14
No, I'm just musing over the fact ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #26
Exactly, these are symptoms TeapotInATempest Apr 2017 #38
No, many of us have had it better Warpy Apr 2017 #36
4chan is a nothing but a hub of male dorks TNLib Apr 2017 #52
Best description of 4chan I have seen in a while Egnever Apr 2017 #78
Thank you for this ism. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #34
Our government is fixing to legislate economic and/physical murder BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #35
I remember a Seinfeld episode BigmanPigman Apr 2017 #41
I shout that I'm a feminist TO the ones giving me the negative feedback. Squinch Apr 2017 #60
You know I know!! Years of fighting them. Many boston bean Apr 2017 #37
The election of Someone like Donald Trump ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #50
I am consistently amazed that a majority of women voted for Trump. Ligyron Apr 2017 #62
I think what the Free Speech Brigade doesn't realize... Initech Apr 2017 #44
IMHO there's a difference between "speech" BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #47
I got in a fun argument on Twitter ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #51
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K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #46
Thank you, ism. brer cat Apr 2017 #49
Well said! mcar Apr 2017 #55
And what we do with our own bodies is sacred. I chose not to have children and have been japple Apr 2017 #57
Wonderful, ism, as always. I wish there were some kind of "superrec" Squinch Apr 2017 #61
Well stated. Ligyron Apr 2017 #64
K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #65
Love it. Thanks for posting. :) n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #68
I would love to know what life is like not having to worry every day how you could be damaged. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #69
Another big K&R NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #71
A great deal of my rage right now is tavalon Apr 2017 #75
And yet Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #77
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