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DesertFlower

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44. i have mixed emotions about bernie.

Wed Apr 26, 2017, 12:03 AM

Apr 2017

when he first decided to run i supported him -- donated to his campaign several times. after watching the debates between hillary and him i realized that hillary was the better candidate. she was better qualified and more likely to be elected. the bernie supporters on DU gave me a really hard time. one even called me "undemocratic" for supporting hillary. i found many of the bernie supporters really nasty.

i don't know for sure, but i think many of the bernie supporters did not vote for hillary and that makes me angry.

don't even talk to me about "independents". there are democratic values and republican values. there's no middle. a friend who is an independent asked me what i would do if a republican stood for all the things i believed in. i said "then s/he would be a democrat".

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Why the sudden urge to move the party right? [View all] BainsBane Apr 2017 OP

Are you feeling a sudden urge? jberryhill Apr 2017 #1

Could be Irritable Bowel Syndrome. QC Apr 2017 #2

That does sound serious. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #6

Is that the one that makes everyone else a cartoon? jberryhill Apr 2017 #8

That sounds like an expensive cure. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #9

Or, you can take Xarelto and go to Rome! jberryhill Apr 2017 #128

Why is BS touting an "aggressively anti-choice" candidate Cha Apr 2017 #12

Well I guess you'd have to ask him that jberryhill Apr 2017 #42

i have mixed emotions about bernie. DesertFlower Apr 2017 #44

I have had the opposite experience. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #54

Welcome to DU, Bluepinky. calimary Apr 2017 #112

Thank you Calimary. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #133

The first post that I saw under an article about Bernie's minimum wage bill was ehrnst Apr 2017 #114

Thanks for 'splaining that. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #115

Is it possible to express ideas about economic justice without racist and sexist overtones? mia Apr 2017 #3

Undercurrent- not overtones. It seems difficult for many. bettyellen Apr 2017 #10

The undercurrents have become overtones mia Apr 2017 #16

That seems to be the goal here. Vesper Apr 2017 #20

Calling people out for supporting sexist legislature is NOT reverse sexism. That's nonsense. bettyellen Apr 2017 #25

That is what happens when people refuse to stand up for the oppressed BainsBane Apr 2017 #36

Yes, we must stand up for injustice and be inclusive of all mia Apr 2017 #45

Perhaps you could . . . OldRedneck Apr 2017 #47

Bernie flat out said we should accept anti-choice candidates into the party and fund them. JTFrog Apr 2017 #107

There is no economic justice without equal rights BainsBane Apr 2017 #17

Thanks for your reply. mia Apr 2017 #43

Absolutely BainsBane Apr 2017 #67

You always have to consider social justice... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #109

screw the white male trump voters. i said it before and DesertFlower Apr 2017 #46

Straw man. ehrnst Apr 2017 #116

Because They're Not Getting Their Way & Losing Their Dominion Me. Apr 2017 #4

That really is it BainsBane Apr 2017 #7

Thank you MontanaMama Apr 2017 #14

It's not a quiet creep, nor is it a whisper, it's a full throated shout Vesper Apr 2017 #26

It sure looks like it. nt BainsBane Apr 2017 #68

The Problem For Those Who Don't Understand Me. Apr 2017 #28

Seems to be making them irritable. Vesper Apr 2017 #21

Quite Me. Apr 2017 #32

At least they're looking into treatments, even if they are from Big Pharma Vesper Apr 2017 #56

+1 Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #29

Mahalo...as Cha Would Say Me. Apr 2017 #35

.. Cha Apr 2017 #49

When white straight men get scared of not being the default ehrnst Apr 2017 #117

I wish. HughBeaumont Apr 2017 #120

I Wish Me. Apr 2017 #123

K&R xoxo musette_sf Apr 2017 #5

If we go after any Trump voters, I think women would be better for Democrats. Hoyt Apr 2017 #11

It's not based on political strategy BainsBane Apr 2017 #15

The whole song and dance about not being able to vote for Clinton because of principle betsuni Apr 2017 #23

It's very obvious what that was about BainsBane Apr 2017 #27

Not talking about adopting policies that appease GOPer women. I'm talking about Hoyt Apr 2017 #33

I understand that. I wasn't criticizing your post BainsBane Apr 2017 #37

Agree. White wing men have had it easy for a long time. Hoyt Apr 2017 #55

As we have seen on the left as well, there are women who draw their power and identity ehrnst Apr 2017 #118

I am getting sick and tired of being told to cater to people who don't give two shits about... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #13

It's horrifying BainsBane Apr 2017 #19

it has been hard to read DU recently and it is not because of the Bernie/Clinton race like some here hrmjustin Apr 2017 #38

"If you can compromise or throw out one civil right you can kiss the rest 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #50

Exactly, justin. brer cat Apr 2017 #69

Thank you for being an ally. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #119

This party has been moving to the right since Bill Clinton was elected. Let's be real. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #18

When was the last time you read a DNC platform? BainsBane Apr 2017 #22

no it hasn't. the party has become more liberal . the conservative dems have turned republican JI7 Apr 2017 #24

I have yet to have one person who made that claim BainsBane Apr 2017 #31

it's one of those things that are always being thrown out JI7 Apr 2017 #39

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #61

Not sure Obama would agree zipplewrath Apr 2017 #110

If we're going to be real, we need to be factual, and that is an incorrect statement. Vesper Apr 2017 #30

No uponit7771 Apr 2017 #63

Or the country. treestar Apr 2017 #101

"Human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights." sheshe2 Apr 2017 #34

This said with a straight face after decades of the Democratic Party moving to the Right. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #40

I've seen the DNC platform, disagree with it moving to the right uponit7771 Apr 2017 #64

In regards to Bill Clinton- NAFTA, bank deregulation, welfare reform, PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #41

Exactly loyalsister Apr 2017 #60

Not exactly telling the whole story in this parade of ugly either uponit7771 Apr 2017 #65

No, they weren't BainsBane Apr 2017 #75

Those are primarily economic issues and thus do not matter. n/t QC Apr 2017 #95

K & R. Great post!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #48

The cult of personality must save face for the leader. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #51

Perhaps BainsBane Apr 2017 #74

That horse already left the barn ... a long, long, time ago. Lil Missy Apr 2017 #52

+1 Kentonio Apr 2017 #81

You would think in the year of our lord 2017, Brogrizzly Apr 2017 #53

K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #57

I don't know, but I've seen you posting here for a minute, you tell me. denbot Apr 2017 #58

Elaborate, please. BainsBane Apr 2017 #73

K&R. JHan Apr 2017 #59

Who is actually trying to move our party backwards, even on women's rights? Who is gung-ho about JCanete Apr 2017 #62

A number of people BainsBane Apr 2017 #66

Its a race between 2 pro-lifers Kentonio Apr 2017 #79

Not in Virginia it is not... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #105

Does Pariello have more than one bad vote on his record regarding women's rights? The one he said he JCanete Apr 2017 #131

He has more than one bad vote. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #132

Thank you, Bains. brer cat Apr 2017 #70

I thought many of those Trump voters voted for Obama in both elections so Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #71

Is that supposed to be cute? BainsBane Apr 2017 #72

It's supposed to be factual. I can't help it if I'm cute. I don't believe the party is ignoring Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #78

In some areas BainsBane Apr 2017 #85

Okey dokey. You are the winner. I need to follow the advice of my tag line now. Nanjeanne Apr 2017 #94

When the extremists on the left sit it out or vote third party Foamfollower Apr 2017 #76

NO, there most certainly is a choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #77

REally, there isn't. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #83

Equal rights are not purity. They are core values, BainsBane Apr 2017 #86

I completely agree. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #98

You're blaming the left for the party moving right? Kentonio Apr 2017 #80

You're damned straight it is the fault of the left. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #82

Maybe if people stopped calling them 'fucking morons' Kentonio Apr 2017 #88

No one on DU has said this...so now you making stuff up. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90

You mean except in the very same post I was replying to... Kentonio Apr 2017 #93

It should not have been said. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #104

The far left have some of the same views as the far right snooper2 Apr 2017 #96

Maybe if they'd stop BEING fucking morons their agenda could actually be advanced. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #99

They are moving the party to the right...look at the Perriello edorsement objectively. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89

It does make sense where the members of the left treestar Apr 2017 #103

I get vote for the Democrat...I have always done so...even in cases where Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #84

Yes, case in point BainsBane Apr 2017 #87

It is...and to vote for the Stupak amendment and be gun guy... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91

Good for you BainsBane Apr 2017 #92

I sent you a couple of links so you don't have to wade through all the apologist shite. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #106

Fantastic! BainsBane Apr 2017 #111

Suddenly we need a bigger tent mcar Apr 2017 #97

Who is attempting this? Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #100

Seriously? Dude. You need to get out more, or pay closer attention... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #108

He knows BainsBane Apr 2017 #122

We are not going to win while male voters Gothmog Apr 2017 #102

Yes, I heard accusations of "HRC is really just GOP lite" a lot here (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #113

There is a movement consisting of Kaye_NY Apr 2017 #121

k and r with thanks for this excellent post. niyad Apr 2017 #124

Agreed.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #125

How about explaining what you mean by that BainsBane Apr 2017 #129

Sudden? vi5 Apr 2017 #126

Trying to elect a Democrat in Nebraska is not "moving the party to the right" DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #127

The issue is not voting for the best choice available BainsBane Apr 2017 #130

Sudden? SUDDEN????? Lil Missy May 2017 #134